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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44701: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:36:03 AM

I wouldn't put too much stock into the Moon Knight rumour just yet, considering the source. There might have been discussions but let's be honest here, Netflix is pretty booked for the next two years.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44702: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:37:11 AM

@44693

No. All-Star Batman is Batman if he were insane. Moon Knight is All-Star Batman if he licked 11 bags full of tropical frogs.tongue

edited 14th Oct '15 11:38:19 AM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44703: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:42:24 AM

If they do make a Moon Knight series, I hope they go with the latest Warren Ellis run - it basically reinvigorated the character and made him pretty popular after a somewhat lackluster few books.

Plus, it includes this line: "You're not insane. Your brain has been colonized by an ancient consciousness from beyond space-time. Smile."

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44704: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:48:07 AM

Elias Spector fled Europa to escape Nazis. His destination was America. There he had a son in Chicago. Although Elias was a rabbi, Marc wanted nothing to do with the Jewish religion. Instead the boy went after fast cash and cheap thrills, begging with boxing before moving onto the marines where he trained as a commando, but that bored him so he decided next to become a liaison to the CIA, and finally a gun for higher by any arm dealers who open up to him.

Oh yes already this origin sounds very much like Bruce Wayne... in contrast to something like the Taylors dying from a sudden thug attack, inheriting their money in ten fold, and building a better Taylor foundation while using this motivation to put on a costume to invoke fear into those who dare to harm the innocent. He was raised by the family's associate, Andrew Chord... blah blah blah

Note: Grant Morison once said Cyclops was Marvel's Batman.

edited 14th Oct '15 11:57:47 AM by xbimpy

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44705: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:50:14 AM

The literally said other than the origin.

Anyway, if you're going to do a team, you should have at least five people.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44706: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:52:28 AM

Oh yes already this origin sounds very much like Bruce Wayne...

Marc Spector is a rich billionaire who goes out at night with gadgets and beats up criminals, inspiring fear in them. He doesn't have any powers or a suit of armor or a hammer. He is vengeance. He is the night. He is Moon Knight.

Wow, that sounds surprisingly like Batman.

Note: Grant Morison once said Cyclops was Marvel's Batman.

Grant Morrison once said he was abducted by aliens in Kathmandu.

edited 14th Oct '15 11:52:55 AM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44707: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:54:09 AM

Cyclops fits much better in the Superman mold since his whole thing is that people don't like him because he's a straight laced boy scout.

Also Daredevil is another guy who could be seen as similar to Batman.

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#44708: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:55:11 AM

Iron Man is "Marvel's Batman" in the sense of characters who are most comparable to each other.

That being said, that Moon Knight was written to be an Alternate Company Equivalent of Batman seems pretty evident. I caught onto it before I even knew his comparable secret identity due to the fact that his costume is a photo-negative of Batman and he throws moon-erangs.

edited 14th Oct '15 11:55:58 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44709: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:55:53 AM

Again, there are several characters that could be called Marvel's Batman. There's no reason to single out one.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44710: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:56:44 AM

Iron Man is Marvel's "Batman" in the sense of characters who are most comparable to each other.

Now would probably be a good time to plug this article I wrote.

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#44711: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:57:05 AM

[up][up][up][up]Cyclops is also a dick, like Superman.

Daredevil is better at being a bat than Batman is, at least.

edited 14th Oct '15 11:57:58 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#44712: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:57:32 AM

Although I don't put much stock in that rumour, a cinematic Moon Knight would be cool. Still haven't read the new stuff but the classic stories were cool. Although his first appearance now just reminds me of how much I want them to get the monsters in something.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44713: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:58:03 AM

[up][up][up][up]You're right.........Instead, they need to mash all the candidates together into one character: Ironmoon Panther-devil!

edited 14th Oct '15 11:58:53 AM by nervmeister

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44715: Oct 14th 2015 at 12:15:23 PM

Marc Spector is a rich billionaire who goes out at night with gadgets and beats up criminals, inspiring fear in them. He doesn't have any powers or a suit of armor or a hammer. He is vengeance. He is the night. He is Moon Knight."

This is a poor faux generalization of Moon Knight that at best tells me nothing about his similarities are more similar than Daredevil (both had a parent die, both live in a crapsack city, both choose to personify a certain symbol that inspires the hopeless and creates fear into the darkness, both don't have Iron Man/Lex Luthor weaponry, both were trained by ninjas to be the best at human physical preference, and both use super senses , except one was born with it while the other uses tech, to do detective work).

1: Marc has suerpowers. Depending on the moon's phase, the physical actions of what he can do is enhanced beyond peek human capability and once used an unamed magical item.

2:The premise that he was ever an industrialist like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark has long-since been abandoned the moment he was written. He ignored his own families wealth to go out on his own. In Bendis' series it's implied he stole money from criminals. His last legitimate job was as the executive producer of a Moon Knight syndicated series. Apparently it was a hit and ran for multiple seasons, so it could have netted him upwards of $50,000,000.

3: He has mediocre high tech suits, one notably can transform like Iron Man. Much like Hawkeye his weaponry is decent. In fact Hawkeye gave him weapons.

4: Khonshu, an actual deity, drives Marc to commit acts of violence against the unjust. Once he mellowed he realized Khonshu was not a god of vengeance, but a god of justice. As his motivation evolved from responsibility of vengeance to responsibility of justice he became less of a killer and more of a traditional hero. And before any of this was aware to him he went on massive killing sprees, something Bruce would never adhere to. He never asked to personify anything. He never cared for symbolism until an other worldly enininity that demeaned it be recognized as one came into his life.

5: Batman is not about vengeance. I thought someone already said that a week ago.

6: Marc considers the Avengers as pansies and would rather work by himself or the raw, hard core, and graphic heroes. Basically he prefers to be a Marvel Knight or Max title despite any bit of idealistic Cape within him.

7: Moon Knight is diagnosed with Dissociative Disorder while Batman has major Hero Sndrome (all about Altruism).

7: You can't convince me these two characters are alike.

edited 14th Oct '15 3:03:02 PM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44717: Oct 14th 2015 at 12:28:34 PM

[up]You're the One Who Sits Above the Shadows.

Go face Rune King Thor!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44718: Oct 14th 2015 at 12:50:33 PM

[up][up]

Well, do you have a Tanden Engine inside you?

edited 14th Oct '15 12:51:34 PM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44719: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:07:21 PM

Isn't Moon Knight thing a split personality? Since when does Batman have a split personality?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#44720: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:09:42 PM

So...

Given that we might see Moon Knight at some point in the MCU, who'd you guys pick to play Marc Spector/Moon Knight?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44723: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:18:13 PM

5: Batman is not about vengeance. I thought someone already said that a week ago.

As Batman sayeth: "I am vengeance, I am the night, I...am...Batman!" *mic drop*

Also, all the rest of what you said are merely details. Moon Knight is the equivalent of Batman - because Doug Moench really wanted to write Batman, so he made a different version of him.

What you seem to be saying, then, is because he's not exactly similar to Batman, he can't be Batman. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. He was created to be Marvel's Batman and even though he has strayed from that path (what with the craziness and all), he still is.

Also, he doesn't have any superpowers. It used to be his strength waxed and waned with the moon, but writers eventually figured out that was stupid and got rid of it. He relies solely on fighting skills and gadgets.

7: Moon Knight is diagnosed with Dissociative Disorder while Batman has major Hero Sndrome (all about Altruism).

Moon Knight doesn't have DID. See above, re: his brain was colonized by an outerterrestrial entity.

[up] Person of Interest is ending, right? Then Jim Caviezel would be perfect.

edited 14th Oct '15 1:20:07 PM by alliterator

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#44724: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:19:51 PM

I don't think strength dependent on the phase of the moon is inherently more stupid than a dude throwing moonerangs.

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#44725: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:20:11 PM

Isn't Moon Knight thing a split personality? Since when does Batman have a split personality?

People love to point out how Batman is a psychologically disturbed individual who seems just as psychotic as the ambiguously-disordered crazies he fights.

Moon Knight, meanwhile, has an actual mental illness.

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