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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44651: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:53:22 AM

The only times i read the credits are went I think I saw a celebrity whose name I couldn't remember right away.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44652: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:00:01 PM

I've always thought that that the credits aren't there for the sake of the audience, they're there for the sake of the industry. A way to corroborate people's resumes.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#44653: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:14:53 PM

I aways figured the credits are there for the sake of the family and friends of those who worked in the movie, so they can look for the name they recognize and be proud.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44654: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:18:03 PM

I prefer the formula of "serious mid-credits scene, silly post-credits scene" myself. Lets the movie end on a fun note, and ultimately these films are about being fun.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44655: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:32:03 PM

I actually took film studies in university...not as mayor, it was just a minor credit. But more or less the first thing which was drilled in my head is that the end credits are part of the movie. Since then I have gotten in the habit of always sitting through the end credits, no matter what movie. Therefore I never missed an end scene (it's not just Marvel movies who have those, you know, a lot of the Disney movies have something like that or at least some funny bits in the credits itself). And yes, I actually do read them. Not every word of them, but I always look out for things like "where was it shot", "who was the composer", "which actor had how many assistants" (it's really funny, the important ones have at least one, the really important ones have two, and on one occasion one actor even had three).

And the occasional jokes...though the "no XY was harmed" is so old, I think the last time I smiled about it was when the end credits informed me that no dragons were harmed during the filming of "Goblet of Fire".

BTW, end credits are actually a fairly new thing. Originally the credits were at the start of the movie. Then they started to split it up as the list of names grew, and listed only the most important names at the beginning. Nowadays there are movies which have only end credits.

edited 13th Oct '15 12:34:31 PM by Swanpride

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44656: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:40:17 PM

If modern credits were at the beginning of the film instead of the end, nobody'd go to theaters. They're long.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44657: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:42:58 PM

"The Soul Stone sounds like it'd be a better fit for Ragnarok, anyway."

I dunno. It'd feel like a radical departure not to involve it at all in Adam Warlock's story (Though not quite as heinous and unforgivable unprecedented as leaving Hank Pym out of Ultron's origin). However, if Hela were to show up in Ragnarok as a literal goddess of the afterlife, the Soul Stone would make for a convenient explanation as to why she's more traditionally supernatural in nature as opposed to the other "gods".

edited 13th Oct '15 12:50:18 PM by nervmeister

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44658: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:43:57 PM

I could see the Soul Stone being part of Doctor Strange. Perhaps the Eye of Agamotto will contain it.

It's also possible that either Soul or Time will already be in Thanos' possession by the start of Infinity War, and introduced there.

edited 13th Oct '15 12:45:19 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#44659: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:47:01 PM

Modern credits as we know them are split into two sections: the primary credits where one or two names get the whole screen to themselves, and the big essay of names at the end. The primary credits used to be at the beginning always until George Lucas got kicked out of the Director's Guild for refusing to put them in front of his, but eventually a compromise was reached that the primary credits could be in the back as long as they're before the enormous one. That's why primary credits often get their own flashy slideshow presentation and why the latter credits list the actors names that you've already seen.

Primary credits are a big deal in studio politics because your name is right in the center of the screen in big font all by itself for a while; it's the biggest way to shill your own name in hopes of talent scouts searching for who played that character they liked.

edited 13th Oct '15 12:47:25 PM by Tuckerscreator

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44660: Oct 13th 2015 at 12:57:16 PM

Lol ppl sit threw credits. Every time I go to watch a big movie there's about 2 people who sit behind while everyone long left

edited 13th Oct '15 12:58:29 PM by xbimpy

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44661: Oct 13th 2015 at 1:00:43 PM

I could see the Soul Stone being part of Doctor Strange. Perhaps the Eye of Agamotto will contain it.

Quite possible. Or it could be its own thing, like Mjolnir. I kind of hope its the latter, since I wouldn't mind them cementing just one more layer of mythos in the MCU that's (mostly) independent of the Stones and Celestials.

edited 13th Oct '15 1:30:34 PM by nervmeister

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44662: Oct 13th 2015 at 2:32:57 PM

It would be a good way to introduce one of the remaining stones without making the whole film revolve around it the same way the other four have. It just so happens to be on Strange's person and provides him with power but it'd be mostly incidental to the actual plot.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44663: Oct 13th 2015 at 3:17:45 PM

Correct me if I'm mistaken but wasn't there a draft of AOU with the Time Stone?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44664: Oct 13th 2015 at 3:22:06 PM

I've never heard that at all.

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44665: Oct 13th 2015 at 3:38:16 PM

I don't remember where I heard it (it probably wasn't even credible) but it included all the Avengers dying before Scarlet Witch finally took the stone from Ultron, rewinding the events of the film to the party, before Ultron had achieved enough power to kill them all. In hindsight it doesn't make a lot of sense.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#44666: Oct 13th 2015 at 3:46:18 PM

[up] I dunno, I liked it when Wakfu did that same plot.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44667: Oct 13th 2015 at 3:50:12 PM

That seems...radically different from the film. Perhaps when they were brainstorming, that was an idea, but I don't think it never made it into the script.

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44668: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:01:23 PM

Honestly, I'd enjoy that more than the actual film. It feels like it has potential but sacrifices itself to be a setup for Civil War and a way to introduce characters like Vision and Quicksilver. (Seriously, what was the deal with Vision?)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44669: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:03:39 PM

He's a cool character with a connection to Ultron and the Mind Stone? I don't understand the question. He was pretty important in the film, as were Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44670: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:42:13 PM

Correct me if I'm mistaken but wasn't there a draft of AOU with the Time Stone?

I know what you're referring to since it got a bit of coverage before being debunked, but that was someone's Fix Fic for stuff they didn't like about the MCU posing as a "leaked script". The same thing happened just a few months back with Civil War. Some jackass on Reddit posted a detailed summary of the movie that turned out to be stuff he'd just made up.

edited 13th Oct '15 4:46:52 PM by comicwriter

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44671: Oct 13th 2015 at 5:47:58 PM

[up][up] Eh, I just didn't see the point. He was in there just so they could get him in there. He shows up for like ten minutes total (could be longer, I'm not sure) and doesn't really do much but pick up Thor's hammer. He doesn't serve any direct purpose or function. I'm not gonna say he wasn't cool, because visually he couldn't have looked any better and I liked the way he was portrayed (and this is coming from somebody that has always disliked Vision in general) but he just didn't really...matter.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#44672: Oct 13th 2015 at 5:54:32 PM

He was also the guy who burned Ultron out of the Internet so he couldn't just transmit his mind to a distant body upon defeat again.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44673: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:10:03 PM

It also let JARVIS be an actual character instead of just Tony's snarky mission control.

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44674: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:23:10 PM

[up][up] Ya but they didn't really explain that until the end, and it didn't really justify his existence entirely. He still looked cool as all hell, but he just felt rushed.

[up] And that was my favorite part of Jarvis. While adding basically nothing to the overall plot he still managed to add that much more charisma to the films he was in. I'm kinda sad to see him go, tbh. :/

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44675: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:34:10 PM

They need someone to play The Worf Effect for Thanos and that's practically Vision's job in the comics.tongue


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