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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44551: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:32:16 PM

It's Ms. Marvel (sorry, pet peeve). And while I would love it if she showed up on AOS, I, too, am hoping she gets her own show and/or movie.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44552: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:38:25 PM

I feel like TV is a better fit for her. For starters, the movie slate is already packed for the next four years, and I don't see them making room in it for an entirely new franchise. Especially one with an Inhuman lead before the actual Inhumans movie, and about a character who takes inspiration from Captain Marvel before we've met her.

If you do it through TV, you can use Agents of SHIELD to give Kamala a Backdoor Pilot, then migrate her over to her own show where she doesn't have to be "Ms. Marvel" right away.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44553: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:41:30 PM

They could use Ms. Marvel as the lead for the Inhumans movie.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#44554: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:43:25 PM

@Last page:

Yeah, Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are just so much easier to remember because, well, they do get mentioned a lot more often.

But Hawkeye. I actually had to look up. XP

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#44555: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:44:30 PM

I don't think that would work as she needs her own movie.

An Inhuman movie needs to introduce the whole royal family and a lot of backstory in addition to hers unless you propose to make her Black Bolt's daughter but then you lose a lot of her appeal that way.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#44556: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:53:47 PM

She could be an Audience Surrogate protagonist that gets mixed up with the royal family.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44557: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:56:32 PM

Yeah, I want Kamala to give Lockjaw a big old hug. (And Lockjaw would probably be in CGI, hence too expensive for television.)

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44558: Oct 12th 2015 at 2:57:41 PM

IMO Kamala works better in her own section of the MCU. You could probably remove the Royal family and New Attilan completely and fill in the gaps via other means if they don't want to go too deep into the Nuhumans subplot. Although movie Lockjaw would still be cute.

edited 12th Oct '15 2:58:19 PM by AlleyOop

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#44559: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:06:10 PM

Kamala's series doesn't even have twenty issues out yet. The show would run out of source material after about a dozen episodes and have to start making stuff up. Also, there's no way Kamala's stretchy powers could be done justice on a TV budget.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:06:51 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44560: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:06:42 PM

They could use Ms. Marvel as the lead for the Inhumans movie.

I don't even know how to deal with a suggestion as tone-deaf as that one.

[up] Her powers absolutely could be done on a TV CGI budget. The CW manages all kinds of crazy CG on The Flash, and they have way less resources than ABC. And since when have we only been adapting comic storylines?

edited 12th Oct '15 3:08:10 PM by BadWolf21

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44561: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:11:05 PM

I don't even know how to deal with a suggestion as tone-deaf as that one.

How is it tone deaf? She is an Inhuman, she could easily be the viewpoint character.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44562: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:16:44 PM

Having Kamala be the main character of the Attilan-centric Inhumans movie is kinda like having Spider-Man be the perspective character of the Thor movies. It's not impossible to write a place for him into it but the disconnect between the kinds of stories they're normally involved in is too vast.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44563: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:18:42 PM

Kamala works best when the stakes are no higher than rescuing a single drowning man.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44564: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:20:22 PM

Because the movie is clearly about the Inhumans. As in, Black Bolt, Medusa, Karnak, etc. For starters, Marvel flat-out said it last week when the rumours about the movie being cancelled were flying around (you'll know it's cancelled if the royal family shows up on Agents of SHIELD, was I believe the way it was phrased).

If it was starring Kamala it would be called "Ms. Marvel" not "Inhumans." Being an Inhuman is the source of her powers, but as far as I can tell she's otherwise not connected to the mythology at all. It's like suggesting that Franklin Richards should be the main character of an X-Men movie. Yes he's a mutant, but he has nothing to do with the X-Men.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44565: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:23:08 PM

Having Kamala be the main character of the Attilan-centric Inhumans movie is kinda like having Spider-Man be the perspective character of the Thor movies.

No, because Spider-Man is not Asgardian. Ms. Marvel is an Inhuman and she has encountered Medusa and other members of the Royal Family in her comic book and she is best friends with Lockjaw.

Because the movie is clearly about the Inhumans. As in, Black Bolt, Medusa, Karnak, etc.

What would make you think you can't have a movie with Ms. Marvel and the Royal Family?

If it was starring Kamala it would be called "Ms. Marvel" not "Inhumans."

No, you could still call it Inhumans.

Being an Inhuman is the source of her powers, but as far as I can tell she's otherwise not connected to the mythology at all.

No, she is completely connected to the mythology - as stated above, she has met Queen Medusa and is best friends with Lockjaw and her storyline neatly connects to the storyline in the Inhumans book. The fact that she has her own adventures doesn't mean that she has no connection to the Inhumans.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:23:52 PM by alliterator

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44566: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:30:52 PM

The way you describe it still sounds like she's a guest star in someone else's story.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44567: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:35:37 PM

No, she would be a main character - like the rest of the Royal Family would be main characters. It's an ensemble film.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#44568: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:36:16 PM

I think Carol Danvers should be better established in the MCU before Kamala shows up. She could be in Captain Marvel 2.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:36:39 PM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44569: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:36:24 PM

[up][up] Agree to disagree.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:36:36 PM by BadWolf21

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#44570: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:36:46 PM

[up]x6 Looking over her Marvel wika page, it seems Kamala has been to Attilan (well, New Attilan) and has interacted with Medusa in the comics, not to mention the time she spent with Lockjaw. So while she mostly does her own thing, her Inhuman heritage is more then just a footnote in her origin story.

Having said that, I think she would work best in the Inhumans movie not as the main character, but as a point of view character who can help introduce Attilan to the audience. Then to serve as a bridge between Attilan and the rest of human society (Inhuman or otherwise).

Overall I believe the movie will have an ensemble cast, with Medusa probably being the closest thing to a main character if you go by sheer quantity of dialogue. I'd say Black Bolt, but he doesn't talk much for obvious reasons (but I have no doubt he'll have the most important line in the movie). Kamala will probably be ranked someone in the middle of the various members of the Royal Family in terms of importance.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:37:01 PM by Falrinn

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44571: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:39:09 PM

I'm not sure why the audience needs a surrogate character to get acquainted with Attilan in the first place? We were given Asgard with nothing of the sort and it worked out fine.

Like, a human doesn't even see Asgard until Thor 2.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:39:39 PM by BadWolf21

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#44572: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:40:59 PM

So about that Daredevil season 2 tease:

Whose skull that got X-Rayed was that?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44573: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:43:13 PM

We were given Asgard with nothing of the sort and it worked out fine.

cough cough Jane Foster cough cough

Like, a human doesn't even see Asgard until Thor 2.

But Thor describes everything to Jane. We may not see his world through her eyes in the first film, but she is the audience surrogate.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:43:52 PM by alliterator

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#44574: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:45:30 PM

Why not have The Stinger at the end of Captain Marvel be her getting her powers?

Then, they can have a vote for Movie or TV show, and whichever wins is what Kamala gets.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44575: Oct 12th 2015 at 3:46:06 PM

None of them have been as popular as Kamala but the Inhuman books introduced a slew of teenage/young adults who found out they had Inhuman abilities. I'm leaning towards Marvel using them as the viewpoint characters.

Especially since AOS has already set the stage for new Inhumans rather nicely.

But this is all irrelevant since the movie isn't happening.

edited 12th Oct '15 3:46:38 PM by comicwriter


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