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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#44501: Oct 11th 2015 at 4:58:36 PM

Question: does the torture thing bother you more or less than the fact that (a few minutes later) Matt put the guy in a coma?

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#44502: Oct 11th 2015 at 5:15:33 PM

I mean... that's basically just an extension of the torture stuff, but yeah, that's pretty bad.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#44503: Oct 11th 2015 at 5:21:00 PM

Both bother me extremely.

And it's especially stupid for the Daredevil show to pretend torture is effective because, as I understand it from the show, Matt's Living Lie Detector ability derives from listening to a person's heartbeat; if it's elevated or different in some other way, it means they're lying. The probable ineffectiveness of this aside, that context makes any use of torture by the show even MORE moronic, because a person who is terrified or in extreme pain is of course going to have an elevated heart rate and other signs of extreme stress that could not be distinguised from any stress resulting from lying.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#44504: Oct 11th 2015 at 5:40:10 PM

I love it when people keep arguing even after someone tells them to stop.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#44505: Oct 11th 2015 at 5:43:11 PM

I'm not arguing. Someone asked me a question, and I answered it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#44506: Oct 11th 2015 at 5:47:19 PM

Wasn't referring to you specifically.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44507: Oct 11th 2015 at 6:31:03 PM

Bryan Cranston has revealed the villain he'd want to play if given the chance: Mr. Sinister.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44508: Oct 11th 2015 at 6:40:12 PM

He's out of luck then. The MCU can't use X-Men characters that are mutants who are heavily associated with the X-Men.

edited 11th Oct '15 6:40:20 PM by VeryMelon

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44509: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:22:36 PM

He didn't say anything about MCU. He said he wanted to be a Marvel villain. The X-Men are just as Marvel as the MCU is.

edited 11th Oct '15 7:23:00 PM by BadWolf21

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44510: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:24:08 PM

Oh, it's just normally when people post articles about X Celebrity here it tends to be about wanting a spot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44511: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:26:23 PM

It was mentioned a few days ago, when he wasn't specifying exactly who he'd want to be (and was even expressing the desire to be a completely original character). He just did a panel or something today where he settled on a character. It just turns out to be someone in another franchise.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44512: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:28:20 PM

That's why I said "normally". This is the Marvel Cinematic Universe thread, chances are if you post a link to a topic about a random celebrity wanting a movie role then posting it here could mean they'd want a role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

edited 11th Oct '15 7:32:16 PM by VeryMelon

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#44513: Oct 11th 2015 at 9:05:54 PM

Several pages ago, someone wondered who could be the villain of Ant-Man & Wasp.

My bet would be William Cross (a.k.a Crossfire). Crossfire was used as Ant-Man's arch-enemy in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, he is currently serving as a recurring enemy of his in the current comics, and he's also the Big Bad of the Ant-Man prose book marvel released (Ant-Man: Natural Enemy) last year and he was planned to show up in the movie before Edgar Wright left and the rewriters came (and Patrick Wilson was playing him). This points to Marvel selling him as something of an Ant-Man villain lately.

Furthermore, he's the cousin of Darren Cross which gives him a built-in reason for hating Scott Lang for the sequel. In the book (Ant-Man: Natural Enemy) and in Earth's Mightiest Heroes William Cross is portrayed as a former criminal acquaitance of Scott's, which gives him a reasonably good Evil Counterpart claim (or at least a dramatic weight as a living reminder of the sins Scott comitted).

That's the basis for the theory. If you need more convicing, I have two more things: A) EMH gave him a bitching design which would look awesome in Live-action B) Imagine a guy whose approach to fighting Ant-Man is shooting him. He tries shooting fucking Ants. (and presumably gets close to hitting him, which would give us Scott jumping from bullet to bullet in ant-size amidst a barrage of fire).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44514: Oct 11th 2015 at 9:30:30 PM

I considered Crossfire and dismissed him when every single article lists him as being primarily a Hawkeye villain.

Also, that design feels like a ripoff of Deadshot.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44515: Oct 11th 2015 at 10:01:24 PM

Since Deadshot hasn't been adapted yet they could always uncouple that.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#44516: Oct 11th 2015 at 10:03:47 PM

He originally was, but as of the last few years he seems to be undergoing a Rogues' Gallery Transplant to Ant-Man, probably as a result of Darren Cross becoming an Ascended Extra.

And well, they can change his monocle (though I'm somewhat sure he already had that in the comics), I was mostly referring to the black suit with the red tie with a target logo on it.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#44518: Oct 11th 2015 at 10:13:06 PM

Crossfire's bit is mind-control and espionage, so he'd be a good fit for a lot of the current set of Marvel characters. He could work if they ever do that Black Widow movie, for instance.

I see him working better as The Dragon than as a Big Bad, though.

I think Ant-Man and Wasp's villain should be a classic Ant-Man or Wasp villain, since the characters have so few of those in the first place. Whirlwind, Elihas Starr, Hank Pym himself, maybe even an modern update of the People's Defense Force... and that's about it. They might as well use one, at least.

I'm also still hanging desperately onto that Radioactive Man rumor from years back despite it being so dead it's practically dust at this point.

edited 11th Oct '15 10:18:40 PM by KnownUnknown

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#44519: Oct 12th 2015 at 5:05:55 AM

[up]x4 I'm pretty sure Suicide Squad's coming out sooner than Ant-Man & Wasp, so...

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44520: Oct 12th 2015 at 5:07:24 AM

It doesn't matter at this point because Scott and hope are so damn good

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
zam Since: Jun, 2009
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44524: Oct 12th 2015 at 9:27:06 AM

The leak teaser will never go away http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=8mJZac3ft0M but its crappy.quality


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