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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It being presented as a bad thing doesn't make it less dark, though. And it doesn't really endear Matt to me.
But again, just to be perfectly clear: I'm not trying to convince anyone that Daredevil is terrible, and everyone is wrong for liking it. I understand I'm the minority and I probably have bad taste.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."@HBP: Well, technically beating people for information is torture, but there was that thing in the second episode.
@Wackd: Does a show have to be that way to be considered dark and gritty? It seems rather limiting to me, and a lot of people probably don't use that exact definition.
edited 11th Oct '15 2:28:02 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!And if he didn't beat the information out of that guy, then the child they kidnapped is either dead or sold off to some slave trader.
"Sorry, your child is dead or worse because I was too squeamish or sympathetic to make one of the shitbags who took him tell me what I want to know."
edited 11th Oct '15 2:51:06 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Thats the mushroom cloud argument.
From 24 and such.
And the thing about that is that people see it on tv and then assume the world works that way. Policy makers too.
And sure, Daredevil has bullshit Toph-senses but thats not what people take away. They take away 'torture totally works and is the only option'
And it only works because the writer set it up to work. They could have set it up so that Daredevil goes through the location data on the guy's phone or something. Or finds a key on the guy. Or analyzes the dirt on his shoes and finds traces of a Clue because it will work as long as the writer wants it to work.
Granted, then you have to do something else to show that this lifestyle is really bad for Matt's psyche.
Or that.
edited 11th Oct '15 3:00:25 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersRelated
but apparently Marvel asked that Daredevil and Jessica Jones not be included in the Lego Avengers game because they didn't want kids watching the shows.
Apparently there were some very uncomfortable parents at the Jessica Jones pilot screening last night too, lol.
yes it is, torture refers to any means of psychologically or physically inflicting harm to someone who can't fight back for a prolonged period of time.
what is being refered to is a specific incident early in the show where matt, with the help of someone else, is causing a thug a LOT of pain by hitting a nerve behind his eye or something to get information.
that absolutely is torture, but if he was just beating up some guy tied to a chair for a long time, that would also be torture.
On someone who's fanatically obsessed with their cause or has some other motive, yeah, they'd sooner die than tell you anything, but on someone who's just in it for money or some other self-serving purpose, I'm not sure why torture wouldn't at least be effective, if not morally dubious.
Logically, if you can put them in a situation where it's in their best interest to talk, they'd talk, no? Everything else they're doing is for their own betterment, so why not that?
It's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It is not really correct that Torture is ineffective. It is ineffective specifically for confessions, because the victim will say whatever the torturer wants to escape the pain. You can therefore never be sure if the victim lies or not.
But if it is about getting information, information which can be checked for truthfulness, then yes, torture can be effective, provided that the victim in question knows what you want to know. You still have the check the answers though, because lying is always a possibility.
Agent of Shield actually addressed this point in the last season. In the scene in question the victim is supposed to apologize for a so called crime, and calls out her torturer by pointing out that even if she does apologize eventually, she won't mean a word of it. (To be honest, I found the scene more graphic than the Daredevil one).
edited 11th Oct '15 3:49:31 PM by Swanpride
Given that the main issue with torture's practicality is the issue of falsified information to escape the pain, and Matt Murdock doesn't HAVE that issue since he's a Living Lie Detector, I'm not sure I'm seeing the issue with the scene.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Daredevil is pretty dark. You couldn't see people's faces half the time due to the lighting.