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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I'm not saying people can't enjoy them! Obviously they do. But I don't. And I really want to- at least, I want to enjoy Jessica Jones. It's only the second Marvel thing to come out with a female lead and I want to celebrate it as much as possible. But if the "grittiness" of it all just bores or irritates me, I can't.
I get that this is a "me" problem.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."I mean, whether or not I expected it to be dark doesn't really change anything. So I don't understand what the point you're making is.
Plus, like, I never look up the comics beforehand if I can avoid it. Cause they're essentially irrelevant, and knowing/expecting certain things might happen isn't fun for me.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."That you seem surprised at it being dark despite this being pretty much the only thing on the slate where you should be surprised if it wasn't.
I'm also not suggesting you find out absolutely everything there is to know about the character ahead of time. Just that if you're not familiar with them, finding out who they are might not be a bad idea.
edited 11th Oct '15 1:53:55 PM by BadWolf21
There's Darker and Edgier that's so terribly unnecessary and excessive that it falls into grimdark, which is awful, and then there's Darker and Edgier that's done well.
Daredevil is a example of it done well, IMO, and it looks like Jessica Jones is aiming for that as well.
I am again in the camp that doesn't understand why Daredevil is considered dark and gritty. Dark and gritty shows generally don't let folks like Foggy exist for very long. Dark and gritty shows don't let guys like Matt uphold his ideals without having to sacrifice some of them. Hell, dark and gritty shows would never acknowledge that the world deserves a guy like Matt to begin with, unless Matt was in some way a fundamentally awful person.
Darkness and grittiness are about more than just a color pallet and an acknowledgement that the world sucks sometimes. It's about nuking hope from orbit because it's the only way to be sure. Daredevil is, in a lot of ways, too fundamentally optimistic to do that.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I am usually of the opinion that there are few stories which really need an r-rating. I also think that there are better methods to depict violence on screen than showing the blood splatter, especially since the most heart-breaking and gripping murder I know is the one of Elsie in Fritz Lang's "M" and that movies shows nothing of the actual act.
But I really enjoy seeing Marvel branching out. I might always like the more family friendly offer at ABC a little bit better, because it is more for my personal taste of entertainment, but I also enjoy Daredevil's distinctive style.
I am actually afraid of Jessica Jones. The show is supposed to delve into film noir, which basically means that there will be a horrible, horrible end. At least Jessica will have to survive for the Defender show.
Maybe the optimism just didn't hit me the right way. I dunno. Maybe I was too irritated by how boring I found Matt, and the grittiness is just an excuse.
I can't tell you why I didn't like Daredevil if it isn't the grittiness, so I'm sticking with that.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."![]()
I mean, y'know, it's okay not to like a show because it has a deep color pallet and acknowledges the world sucks sometimes. I just don't think that's the same as being dark, is all.
edited 11th Oct '15 2:11:32 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
Yeeeeeaaah, the torture thing is...
I mean, I don't think the writers have thought especially hard about it. Which is bad, but also understandable? I dunno. The show doesn't seem to think it's doing great things for Matt's psyche, so I suppose that's something.
Dude regularly ties people up and beats on them until they tell him things that make their heart beat a certain way because Matt can tell when people are lying infallibly based on that.
It's dumb.
edited 11th Oct '15 2:16:02 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

The function it serves is really one of ratings.
It's the fifth episode of an eight-episode limited series. It's an action-heavy setpiece, and features a big-name guest star.
It's an episode that exists pretty much so the network can promote the hell out of the show going into sweeps month. The story beats it covers could be done in other ways, but "business as usual" doesn't draw in viewers.
Cynical? Undoubtedly. But that's how network television works.
Melon: I actually did the math once. Almost every one of the Howling Commandos from the movie were working on other projects at the time.
edited 11th Oct '15 1:11:12 PM by BadWolf21