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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Worth noting is that the third episode was going to be a Girl's Night Out Episode with Peggy's neighbors until the writers decided that Peggy wouldn't take that much time off when there's a friend's arrest on the line. Also that Angie was going to be in more scenes but her contract wouldn't allow it.
I don't think the show is perfect but I think it put in all the effort it reasonably could under its contracts and premise.
edited 11th Oct '15 10:02:29 AM by Tuckerscreator
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Just because I don't consider this a problem doesn't mean I think that the show is perfect. But it is frustrating that some people expect the show to be a "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (Egglaying Wollmilkpig) and be everything at once. If someone points out to me "that's a point at which the storytelling didn't work because", it's different. But I have little patience for "yeah, the show didn't push this or that social issue enough". Because I think it did really, really well in tackling a difficult theme. It is frustrating that this show gets so much flak for focussing on the story it wanted to tell instead. Especially when I hear suggestions like "Jarvis should be female". The relationship between him and Peggy is the best part of the show, partly because he is male.
I also think that the third episode would have been too early for something like that. Peggy barely moved from "I should keep everyone at arms length" at this point.
edited 11th Oct '15 10:09:13 AM by Swanpride
It is frustrating that this show gets so much flak for focussing on the story it wanted to tell instead.
The show can tell the story it wants to tell and still include more female and minority characters. It's not a "one or the other" thing - you can do both.
"Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (Egglaying Wollmilkpig)
I'm going to use this expression from now on, because it's awesome. But it also wasn't what I was asking - I wasn't asking that the show address more themes, I was just saying that it should include more female and minority characters. There are already a ton of characters that it doesn't use and it can - heck, that "Girls Night Out" episode? They could have totally moved that to when Peggy thought the case was over and it would have been fine.
I don't think the show is perfect but I think it put in all the effort it reasonably could under its contracts and premise.
I don't think it did. I think it was really good, but it could have been better.
edited 11th Oct '15 10:16:44 AM by alliterator
Let me ask you a question. Do you want more women in the show to serve the story or your own personal bias? I think the story was told well. I enjoyed it immensely. Quite frankly, I don't see the need for more female characters of high prominence in the show as it was.
Do you want an Agent Carter show or something completely different? Because that is what you are repeatedly asking for. I'm all for more women in more varied roles, but this show actually made a good balance in regards to gender importance as well as taking shots at the society of the time.
Not everyone is fighting the same war you are.
I could go for another show featuring that spy group Dottie is from. Plus season 2 of Agent Carter is coming.
Egghead make it happen. well scott doesn't really have a rogue gallery list. he shares bad guys that are associated with many different heroes. its the cross family that stands out as his arch nemesis. Perla is the princesss of the Mirco Verse. Hank's villains are guys like Egghead and Scarlet Beetle.
edited 11th Oct '15 12:04:43 PM by xbimpy
A Marvel Cinematic Universe film with No Antagonist sounds interesting to me.
Jessica Jones being "darker than Daredevil" scares me. But I'm still holding out hope that Jessica herself will be less boring than Matt, and that'll be enough to sell me.
Re: Agent Carter: I've been thinking about it, and was it really necessary for both Sousa and Thompson to have roles as large as they did? If the whole point is that Peggy's work life sucks, Sousa is kinda counter to that for most of the show. And the dirdctor guy whose name I forget already filled the "shitty dude who has zero respect for Peggy" role that Thompson did.
You could probably mash them into some kinda... amalgamation and not lose much. And also increase the ratio of major women to men as a result.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."My pitch for Ant-man and the Wasp goes like this: After Scott's contacts told him about a number of incidents which points into the direction of someone using Pym particles, he and Hope are trying to spring a trap on the person in question. But they get evaded, as if the person knew they were coming, and the incidence become more and more violent. On top of this, the police suspects Scott, whose only alibi-witness is his daughter Cassie.
Eventually they figure out that the culprit is actually Hank Pym, who believes that he has found a way to rescue Janet from the microverse - as gets more and more crazy and obsessive, leading to a fight between him, Scott and Hope. He is taken out, but now Hope can't let off the idea herself. Against Scott's wishes, who naturally wants to protect her, she goes into the microverse and in a gripping finale she manages to rescue her mother who hasn't aged one day, meaning she is now younger than her own daughter. And has the personality of EMH Wasp.
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one of the selling points of the netflix marvel series is that because they aren't films they can afford to go places the movies would not go, which does include the darker subject matter in daredevil.
it's fine if one doesn't like it since that's personal taste, but i think that kind of tonal diversity is important for marvel to cultivate, especially since a lot of people enjoyed daredevil BECAUSE it was a darker show with more adult themes.
edited 11th Oct '15 12:17:10 PM by wehrmacht
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I think both characters are important. Thompson presents the obvious sexist, and Souse the well-meaning one.
One review noted that the first episode of Jessica Jones is more layered than the whole season of Daredevil. Sound good, if you ask me. (Plus, I really liked the dry humour in the teasers, a far cry from the overly serious tone of the Daredevil one).
edited 11th Oct '15 12:17:12 PM by Swanpride

Unless you think that every single scene in the show was absolutely needed, then there was definitely a way to put more female characters in it. The show was good, but it wasn't perfect.
I just find it strange that when we point out something that's wrong with the show, the almost immediate reaction is, "No! There's nothing wrong with the show! It's absolutely perfect and shouldn't be changed!" Despite the fact that it has very few female characters and even fewer minority characters.
edited 11th Oct '15 9:59:43 AM by alliterator