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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44376: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:29:32 AM

I agree that there needs to be more female characters on the show. I disagree that Jarvis needed to be one.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44377: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:31:59 AM

[up]Honestly, this I'm fine with. I really only suggested genderswapping Jarvis when folks started suggesting that adding more women would collapse the delicate house of cards the premise apparently sits on by requiring—gasp—rewrites!

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#44378: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:33:46 AM

Seriously guys: Hayley Atwell playing all of the roles. Imagine it.

Oh God! Natural light!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44379: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:41:34 AM

[up] Okay, but are we talking Hayley Atwell playing all the characters herself Orphan Black style or Hayley Atwell playing all the characters as an Agent Carter one-man stage show? Because I would honestly take both.

edited 11th Oct '15 1:46:27 AM by higherbrainpattern

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44380: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:43:37 AM

Man, what is with this thread and hyperbolic language lately?

[up],[up][up] An army of Hayley Atwells. Fund it.

edited 11th Oct '15 1:45:48 AM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44381: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:57:27 AM

Honestly, this I'm fine with. I really only suggested genderswapping Jarvis when folks started suggesting that adding more women would collapse the delicate house of cards the premise apparently sits on by requiring—gasp—rewrites!

I mean, it wouldn't even require that much rewrites. Just flesh out some more characters in Peggy's building. I mean, all we really knew were Angie and Dottie - and I think it would have been far more effective if we got to know a bunch of the women in the building and then, when Peggy has to go on the run, it would be far more devastating for her, because she knows that she has to leave all these people she knows behind.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44382: Oct 11th 2015 at 2:00:00 AM

[up]Which they most likely would have done if not for the fact that they had only eight episodes.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44383: Oct 11th 2015 at 2:14:20 AM

I wasn't suggesting adding an entirely new episode, I was suggesting rewriting those eight episodes to include more female characters. If you are suggesting that there wouldn't be enough room in those episodes, um, that's what rewrites are for. They can make room.

edited 11th Oct '15 2:15:04 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44384: Oct 11th 2015 at 2:38:06 AM

[up]The goal of the show was to show Peggy's struggle at her workplace. So the writers did exactly what they should do, they focussed on her workplace. You might have liked a different kind of story for her, but you can't fault the writers of doing what they set out to do.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44385: Oct 11th 2015 at 2:58:25 AM

The show definitely has room for more important female characters of the same caliber as Agent Yauch or the man on the truck, definitely. Rose could've also gotten more than a few lines. But the original complaint was that there are no female characters as important as Peggy and Angie (some of us disagree, but that's a separate argument), and having another character with the same level of screentime and plot relevance as that threshold would require more substantial work.

Whether the addition would ultimately result in a better show? Possibly. But it would not result in a show similar to the one that currently exists, and trying to have both at the same time would probably end badly.

edited 11th Oct '15 3:16:29 AM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44386: Oct 11th 2015 at 3:57:07 AM

I have a question for the comic book experts: What are the best stories involving Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel and Black Panther?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44388: Oct 11th 2015 at 6:32:38 AM

[up]Thanks, but I don't want to know which books are worth reading, I want to know what their most famous and memorable moments are, and why they are so well-known.

Mmmm....the Captain Marvel one is kind of a depressing read. All of her stories seem to involve someone messing with the her memories or abilities....

edited 11th Oct '15 6:36:37 AM by Swanpride

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44389: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:14:52 AM

Christopher Priest's Black Panther and the latest Black Panther are the best. Hudin's Black Panther is only necessary for an expansion on the title of Black Panther. Dr. Strange the Oath is the best version that modernized him for new readers, but the Stan Lee run is still important because it introduces the character to us that defined him even to this day. "The Domain of the Dread Dormammu" and "Duel with the Dread Dormammu" is great to see him take on Dorammu. "The Eternity Saga" introduces the abstract being Eternity.

sorry I'm not really into Carol Danvers.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44390: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:31:56 AM

Whenever a new MCU movie is coming out soon, the bookstore I go to puts out a display of the comics to read if you want to know more about the upcoming MCU characters. I should make note of what they put out next time.

I do know that for Carol it was Captain Marvel Vol. 8 (the latest series).

EDIT: Actually, it might've been Vol. 7. The 2012 run.

edited 11th Oct '15 7:34:11 AM by BadWolf21

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44391: Oct 11th 2015 at 7:35:37 AM

Thanks, but like I said, I don't really want to know which are the best books, but which are the most memorable moments...the "Antman perching on Hawkeye's arrow", "Gwen Stacy falling from a bridge", "Cap standing up to Thanos", "Tony being an alcoholic", "Cap punching Hitler in the face" moments.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44392: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:01:44 AM

The goal of the show was to show Peggy's struggle at her workplace. So the writers did exactly what they should do, they focused on her workplace. You might have liked a different kind of story for her, but you can't fault the writers of doing what they set out to do.

There were plenty of scenes not set at the SSR that could be changed. You could still have a story about her struggles at the workplace and still include plenty of other female characters.

Also, I'm not faulting the writers on anything. I'm saying: they can do better.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44393: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:31:23 AM

And in the scenes not at the workplace were a number of woman. I don't think that there was a single scene which wasn't related to her investigation which didn't show a number of different woman. That was the whole point of putting her into an "all-woman-hotel", so that they could meet other woman at breakfast. And when she isn't there, she is in the diner and meets with Angie. I honestly, don't see how you could have added more females in (again) only eight episodes.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44394: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:38:42 AM

All the female characters in the apartment building are given one scene, aside from Angie and Dottie. There are plenty of scenes outside the apartment building and the diner that they could have cut. For instance: that one scene of Howard Stark being a lech. And that other scene. And that other scene.

I see plenty of ways they could add more female characters. That's the whole point of rewriting, you change things. Things don't stay exactly the same.

edited 11th Oct '15 8:39:41 AM by alliterator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44398: Oct 11th 2015 at 9:33:40 AM

I agree that it would have been good to give more personality to the inhabitants of Peggy's boarding house.

On the other hand, I'm not sure necessarily about her having a closer relationship with them.

She's there as a cover and there's definitely some British Stuffiness in her personality.

I don't think it would necessarily be in-character for Peggy to have a close relationship with a lot of people there. Partly because her relationship (take that as you want) with Angie is about going from basic friendliness and politeness to actual closeness.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44399: Oct 11th 2015 at 9:36:34 AM

Having more female characters wouldn't mean that Peggy would have to be friends with them. Perhaps Angie is friends with them. Perhaps Dottie befriends them to maintain her cover.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44400: Oct 11th 2015 at 9:46:59 AM

Sorry, but that would have gone off the tangent too much. They barely managed to squeeze the story in eight episodes as it is.


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