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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#44101: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:50:25 AM

It wouldn't surprise me if one of them is another Spider-Man.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44102: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:51:47 AM

fucking purple man... creepy stocker pedifle sounding guy

[up]i vote Spiderman because the coming of age story won't be coming of age if the next time we seem him would be 6 something years later. Kevin spoke as if he wanted to do a harry potter but within this time frame that can't happen unless he gets another sequel off the back

edited 8th Oct '15 9:54:25 AM by xbimpy

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#44103: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:54:05 AM

Looking at the new schedule it appears that Black Panther is once again before Infinity War Part 1 and Captain Marvel is still slated to be before part 2. Which really makes me think that there is a major story reason for Captain Marvel to be between the two halves of Infinity War.

Can't say I'm happy to see Captain Marvel delayed at all, but I'm glad that the Wasp is becoming a title character in the next movie in the Ant-Man franchise so as a whole I'm happy to the news.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44104: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:54:28 AM

Yay, Marvel confirmed the title of the Ant-Man sequel will indeed be called Ant-Man and the Wasp! Nice!!!

....People from Marvel Studios read this thread, don't they? tongue

On the other hand, it sucks that Captain Marvel was pushed back to only a month or so before Infinity War.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44105: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:54:50 AM

Sigh, I love Spider-Man but I'm so burnt out on him. I'd rather it be about Spider-Gwen/Silk (whose solo is apparently actually pretty good). Miles on the other hand will probably have to wait a bit.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44106: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:55:52 AM

[up][up]I thinkcaptain marvel would be more with inhumans since her origin starts off kree centric.

[up]I'm burnt out on batman. There still hasn't been a Spiderman focused only on Peter's teenager years and the rest of the marvel verse was never in conjectution with his adventures

edited 8th Oct '15 10:02:09 AM by xbimpy

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#44107: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:58:27 AM

What Spider-Man really needs is an original villain. Like Kraven the Hunter.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44108: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:59:10 AM

[up][up].....I don't even know what you're saying, but Captain Marvel will literally be released two months before Infinity War, due to Marvel's reshuffling.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:59:24 AM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44109: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:01:30 AM

And here I thought that the announcement would finally shut up the people who claim that the box office result of Ant-Man is in any shape of form a disappointment....

One the one hand: Yey! I really hope that the movie will be about rescuing the original Wasp. And I might read too much into it, but I have the feeling that this will be more a Wasp than an Ant-Man movie, but they want to use the known name for marketing reasons (though this will be a nightmare to translate into German...Ant-man und Wasp sounds really, really stupid, but then, Ant-man already did, too).

On the other hand: Sigh...at this rate it will be 2022 until Mrs Marvel finally gets her movie, because of constant delays. I get it but...oh, well....

I guess it is a safe bet that one of the three unknown movies will be Spider-man 2, due to the 3 year rule. Hopefully one will be the Black Widow Spy-movie I really, really want to see. The third...might simply be a place holder for something along the line of Got G 3 or Dr. Strange 2.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44110: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:03:15 AM

Captain marvel is only 2019 now and who says none of these characters won't cameo beforehand. That would be the way to go but it's not what everyone notices. It's just a one year gap. I can wait. I wanna know the contex

edited 8th Oct '15 10:07:59 AM by xbimpy

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44111: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:06:17 AM

I know it will never happen, but I thought of them doing a version of Spider-Verse wherein Peter would meet various alternative universe Spideys including a Spider-Woman (Emma Stone in the Spider-Gwen outfit); Ultimate Spider-Man (Donald Glover as Miles); Superior Spider-Man/ an evil Spider-Man (played by Andrew Garfield).

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44112: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:08:49 AM

That's what I thought of.[up] they could have kept Sony's Spider-Man and just do alternate universe travel or made a new one like you describe where Mcu Peter goes into

edited 8th Oct '15 10:10:15 AM by xbimpy

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#44113: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:09:31 AM

Shattered Dimensions would make for one Hell of a flick.

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#44114: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:10:38 AM

i'd be ok with spider-gwen.

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#44115: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:11:48 AM

I really doubt that Kevin Feige cares if the fanbase is pissed off or not. The movie made less because it was a lesser known hero, just like Guardians of the Galaxy earned relatively less when it first came out before it gained momentum.

Guardians made $94 million on its opening weekend, rivaling Winter Soldier. It didn't "gain momentum", it hit the ground running.

Ant-Man, meanwhile, made $57 million on its opening weekend, rivaling The Incredible Hulk, then managed to crawl to a point where it could compete with the Phase 1 movies, but still fell flat against the kind of earnings the rest of Phase 2 made. It gained enough momentum not to fail completely, but is still visibly wounded.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:14:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44116: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:12:36 AM

Black Panther and Captain Marvel are now coming out during the deadest moviegoing period of the year.

Such confidence Marvel has in them.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44117: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:14:35 AM

[up][up]I'm still right about Ant-Man and you know it. If the movie really didn't make any money, they never would have greenlit a sequel.

It gained enough momentum not to fail completely, but is still visibly wounded.

Oh, please, your metaphors are tortured enough. It made three times it's budget already. It didn't break the box office, but it was still a winner.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:15:40 AM by alliterator

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#44118: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:15:15 AM

The movie did make money. It made $409 million.

The point is that it could have made more. It didn't fail, but there is a clear financial impact brought on by all the hurt feelings and negativity toward the film. It underperformed the rest of Phase 2 right out of the starting gate, and that's not because Ant-Man is an unworkable premise; that it gained the momentum it did is proof of that.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:16:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44119: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:16:16 AM

One of those unannounced Phase 4 films better be a Black Widow movie, that's all I'm saying.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44120: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:16:40 AM

[up][up][up]Again: it made over three times its budget and hasn't opened in China yet. So calling it a "just short of a failure" is not only overblown, but incorrect. "But it could have made more!" is not a good reason - every movie could have made more.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:17:18 AM by alliterator

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#44121: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:17:56 AM

Ant-Man didn't perform less than it could because of some bizarre Black Widow fanbase blitzkrieg, it performed less than it could because every single person on the planet was "lol ants" for a long-ass time before the positive buzz convinced them.

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#44122: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:18:00 AM

Yes, and only making three times its budget is pretty disappointing by MCU standards.

Every other film in Phase 2 has broken half a million, even the equally-implausible Guardians of the Galaxy. A raccoon with a minigun made almost twice as much money as Ant-Man.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:18:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44123: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:20:03 AM

They've also been out for longer and were, again, open in China. Once the film opens in China, it will definitely hit half a billion - since, you know, it's already at $409 million.

And the opening weekend is, again, on par with Phase 1.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:21:21 AM by alliterator

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#44124: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:22:25 AM

Ant-Man didn't perform less than it could because of some bizarre Black Widow fanbase blitzkrieg, it performed less than it could because every single person on the planet was "lol ants" for a long-ass time before the positive buzz convinced them.

This.

ant-man was a completely unknown character with a premise most people weren't going to immediately find impressive, as opposed to Got G being a comedic space opera.

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#44125: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:22:42 AM

[up][up] That Ant-Man made money on par with Phase 1 instead of Phase 2 is my point.

edited 8th Oct '15 10:23:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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