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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44076: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:05:13 AM

Well, that one actually showed her face and was also super creepy.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#44077: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:42:45 AM

Evil Tenth Doctor is scary as fuck.

Oh God! Natural light!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44078: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:51:32 AM

In a surprise move, we are now getting an Ant-Man and the Wasp movie in Phase 3!

Good news, this is the first MCU movie with a heroine's name in the title, and Black Panther is now coming several months earlier. Bad news, Captain Marvel has now been pushed back to 2019.

edited 8th Oct '15 8:56:37 AM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44079: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:56:12 AM

In a twist, Scott will be Ant-Man and Hank the Wasp.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44080: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:59:33 AM

Also, three mystery movies have been announced.

I'm gonna say Runaways is one of them. They have the script and we know Feige said that Phase 3 would try to do better with diversity than 1 and 2.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44081: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:03:34 AM

On the one hand: yay! More Wasp! Wooo!

On the other hand: boo! They pushed back Captain Marvel! Whhhhhhhhy?

[up]Instead of Runaways, if they want to go for diversity, they might instead try Young Avengers.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:04:08 AM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44082: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:04:47 AM

http://marvel.com/news/movies/25244/marvel_studios_phase_3_update?linkId=17794777

Ooh, looks like we are indeed getting "Ant-Man and the Wasp", and sooner rather than later. Black Widow fans are probably going to be super salty though, even if it does turn out one of the 2020 films are for her.

Edit:Damn,[nja]'d hard.

[up] Probably same reason as Iron Fist. Can't think of what they want to do with her, let alone cast her.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:05:55 AM by AlleyOop

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#44083: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:04:51 AM

They could do both! Both would be great!

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44084: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:05:46 AM

I guess the push back could be because of the expenses with the other movies.

I do tend to support the idea though that Marvel is so afraid that films with non-white male leads will fail that they want to make sure that guaranteed earners come first/will push the more diverse firms as far back as possible (and are ready to cancel them at a moment's notice).

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#44085: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:07:18 AM

Black Widow fans are probably going to be super salty though, even if it does turn out one of the 2020 films are for her.

Come on, Feige. Perlmutter's gone. You KNOW the fanbase is there. Black Widow movie, announce it. ANNOUNCE IT.

Just speak the words, "We are making a Black Widow movie," and watch 80% of the growing animosity towards the MCU disappear overnight. It's that simple.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:08:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44086: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:08:33 AM

The three new movies have been announced! They are: Black Widow, Black Widow II: This Time It's Personal, and Black Widow III: Are You Happy Now?.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44087: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:10:49 AM

Despite my distaste for the lack of diversity, I'm not really a fan of the Black Widow movie idea.

I guess it's a combination of Scarlet Johansson's acting and the fact that the character is established as someone whose real personality, if she has one, is hidden under layers of artifice (but then so is Bruce Wayne's and they keep making movies about him).

edited 8th Oct '15 9:11:05 AM by Hodor2

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44088: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:13:19 AM

I don't think one will be Black Widow if only because the announcement proudly trumpets how Ant-Man and the Wasp is the first MCU movie with a woman's name in the title. It's clear they were going for the diversity brownie points with that one, so I feel like if we are getting Black Widow, they would have used that to anchor the announcement instead of the Wasp.

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#44089: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:13:55 AM

"I can't believe they're making a f*cking ANT-MAN movie before giving Black Widow a film. Who the f*ck cares about Ant-Man?" ~countless Black Widow fans.

You pissed off your fanbase and, as a result, the movie made the kind of relatively small pickings the franchise hasn't seen since Phase 1. The fanbase has spoken. Announce Black Widow.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44090: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:18:06 AM

[up][up][up] Tbh despite wanting more female-led movies I kinda feel the same way. She's not bad in the role, just really humdrum. Whedon wrote her functionally in the Avengers but I wasn't blown away by her like others were. I liked her in The Winter Soldier but that had more to do with the writing, and playing up to Scarjo's natural strengths and her chemistry with Chris Evans. If they get a different writer and director I wouldn't have much interest in it unless they bring in other, more well acted characters or in-demand new ones.

[up]The fact that it's not a Black Widow movie specifically has little to do with it. There's a lot of other factors involved, and GOTG is the only other non-sequel on there and its huge success is considered an anomaly. Also, it's a common case of Mis-blamed since that movie was in development before Iron Man. If there's a movie people should boycott for lack of diversity it should be Doctor Strange.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:31:25 AM by AlleyOop

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#44091: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:24:42 AM

@Hodor: Well, Black Panther is actually now scheduled for an earlier date, so not precisely.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44092: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:27:17 AM

I just noticed this but it sounds like Purple Man is an Evil Brit in this version. I'm fine with it because I'm not wowed by the actor's attempt at an American accent.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#44093: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:31:36 AM

I really enjoyed Ant-Man, so I'm happy that it's getting a sequel (or maybe a prequel about Hank and Janet?), but I can't help but be disappointed that Captain Marvel is pushed back.

However, Black Panther got pushed forward, which is awesome, since I'm really looking forward to that one.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44094: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:32:51 AM

Yeah Ant-Man sequel that called Ant-Man and The Wasp! Just like I wanted.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44095: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:34:45 AM

So they didn't bump Black Panther back up to being against Justice League, but it's no longer in the summer dump month, which is also good.

MeetTheNewBoss I'm Ruthless. from The Same As The Old Boss Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#44096: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:35:57 AM

I don't like wasps! I don't like ants! I don't like bees! In fact, I don't like even termites.

But, principally, I don't like spiders.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44097: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:35:58 AM

Ant-Man: $409 million

$409 million dollars is nothing to scoff about, especially since the movie was made for $130 million, so it's already earned back three times it's budget (Age of Ultron, on the other hand, was made for $279.9 million, meaning it pretty much had to earn way more). And I don't even think that the film has opened in China yet, so it will probably earn even more.

You pissed off your fanbase and, as a result, the movie made the kind of relatively small pickings the franchise hasn't seen since Phase 1. The fanbase has spoken. Announce Black Widow.

I really doubt that Kevin Feige cares if the fanbase is pissed off or not. The movie made less because it was a lesser known hero, just like Guardians of the Galaxy earned relatively less when it first came out before it gained momentum.

Also, the "fanbase" is not one united entity. I've seen plenty of comments saying that this is good news because they love the Wasp.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:36:47 AM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44098: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:42:18 AM

I would have preferred if it was just The Wasp but I'm cool with both. Why not put it after Infinity War though? The schedule of movies up to this point was pretty good.

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#44099: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:43:00 AM

I bet one of those movies is gonna be Scarlet Witch and The Vision.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44100: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:45:18 AM

You know, I would be interesting if one of those movies was Thunderbolts or Secret Avengers.


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