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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44026: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:30:49 PM

Oh, jeez. I hope they don't do the whole "We have a female protagonist now, huh? We'd better make her a violent and abrasive sociopath to overcompensate away from the stigma of female leads being too soft and submissive" thing. I've seen that before.

Though I suppose Daredevil had some sociopathic traits too, he was just better at reserving them for asshats he needed information from.

edited 7th Oct '15 12:31:44 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#44027: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:36:20 PM

Jessica Jones strikes me as kind of aggressive and abrasive from what I've seen of her in the comics though.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#44028: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:40:27 PM

i think more sociopathic/violent female leads can be fairly interesting but i understand the dangers of always feeling like female leads need to have more masculine roles to compensate for them being women.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44029: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:49:21 PM

It's not necessarily about masculine roles. I remember back in the heyday of Metroid: Other M's fallout there were people going way too far in the opposite direction about Samus's portrayal, who were nonironically insisting that she should have just murdered Adam's squad and blown the shit up out of everything in order to not be a weak and submissive lead.

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#44030: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:56:18 PM

The majority of my exposure to Jessica Jones is from some volumes of The New Avengers and while I didn't get that much exposure to her, I would never classify her as "nice" or "less aggressive." It seemed to me the only pacifying factor was that she had a baby to care for.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#44031: Oct 7th 2015 at 12:58:35 PM

[up][up] That's an overreaction. Surely she could spare Anthony

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44032: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:00:43 PM

Isn't Jessica supposed to be a alcohol addicted private eye who investigates really seedy cases? Independent of Gender this sounds like an aggressive character.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#44033: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:06:21 PM

That was a consequence of both Samus's atrociously submissive portrayal and the fact that Adam was an unlikable Creator's Pet who everyone wound up hating more than Ridley.

<.< I will never forgive him for stealing the final level.

edited 7th Oct '15 1:07:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44034: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:10:06 PM

Yeah, Jessica Jones is not a nice person. She's an alcoholic who will throw you through a window if you piss her off. She got slightly nicer in the comics when she had a baby (because, you know, she had to take care of the baby), but this a quote from her:

"You shoot that gun at me—I will pull that bullet out of my ruined four hundred dollar leather jacket...and I will shove it up your ass with my pinky finger. And which one of us do you think that will hurt more?"

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44035: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:12:17 PM

I hope they don't do the whole "We have a female protagonist now, huh? We'd better make her a violent and abrasive sociopath to overcompensate away from the stigma of female leads being too soft and submissive" thing. I've seen that before.
Jessica Jones isn't nice, but that doesn't mean she's a fucking sociopath. Wow, the reach there is amazing.

edited 7th Oct '15 1:13:06 PM by higherbrainpattern

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#44036: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:29:26 PM

Its only cool to steal segments of a game if you're Toriel

Adam is no Toriel.

Not even vaguely if you squint while drunk. He is about as far from Toriel you can get while still bipedal.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44037: Oct 7th 2015 at 1:31:37 PM

[up][up]Oh, no, I doubt we'd get something like that, I'm just saying I've seen that happen before.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#44038: Oct 7th 2015 at 2:00:38 PM

To be fair, we kinda already knew Jessica was going to be violent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw7lAFlCSlY

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44039: Oct 7th 2015 at 2:36:23 PM

[up][up][up][up]The quote right above your post sounds kind of sociopathic to be honest.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44040: Oct 7th 2015 at 2:56:14 PM

Well, she was talking to someone who had arranged a conspiracy and hired to hitman to kill her and someone else, so she was pretty justified.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#44041: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:03:53 PM

Elizabeth Olsen’s Dream Scarlet Witch Storyline? “House of M,” of Course

http://www.themarysue.com/elizabeth-olsen-house-of-m/

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#44042: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:11:17 PM

I don't really see how they'd be able to do House of M in the MCU. No more supers? They've been in the no more mutants-verse all along? Especially since her powers here are far less massive and more defined so that she's not an utter story breaker.

edited 7th Oct '15 3:11:26 PM by Tuckerscreator

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#44044: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:20:28 PM

Re: Jessica Jones and female characters. the trick to this is balance. You can show a female character as flawed but you don't have to make her so unlikable to the point the audience utterly despises her. I definitely agree about writers overcompensating by making female characters utterly loathsome. It's especially bad when writers basically ignore all the ways the female characters flaws are problematic (the David E. Kelley Wonder Woman pilot is a good example of this).

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#44045: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:21:18 PM

I wouldn't say her powers are more defined here, just that they've been depicted in a more restrained fashion by the writing. Her definition is that "she's weird."

She's behaved like a Jean Grey Expy in the one film she's been in thus far, but that doesn't mean the possibility for a future writer to go crazy with her powerset doesn't exist.

edited 7th Oct '15 3:22:34 PM by TobiasDrake

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#44046: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:21:50 PM

I wonder how well Furiosa would fit into MCU.

Probably not very well, but it is an amusing imagery.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44047: Oct 7th 2015 at 3:45:06 PM

I dunno if I'd say threatening to shove a bullet up a gunman's ass is sociopathic, at least not if he's pointing a gun at you. I'd say it's a fair warning. tongue

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44048: Oct 7th 2015 at 4:21:41 PM

@Kostya: If somebody went through the kind of shit Jessica Jones has gone through in the comics (especially at the hands of the Purple Man), they probably wouldn't take shit from people trying to murder them with guns either.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44049: Oct 7th 2015 at 4:42:40 PM

[up]Right. If It Makes Sense in Context and doesn't feel like it's trying too hard, I'm not gonna complain.

edited 7th Oct '15 4:46:43 PM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44050: Oct 7th 2015 at 4:44:03 PM

The heroes threatening bad guys has been a staple of the genre since...ever. I don't know how that makes her a sociopath.


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