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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#43826: Oct 2nd 2015 at 7:39:23 AM

No offense to Ronda Rousey (because she'd probably break me in half), but she's never struck me as being a particularly good actress. She has the physicality, but does she have the acting chops? I'd assume they would want to get this really right.

edited 2nd Oct '15 7:40:45 AM by edvedd

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#43827: Oct 2nd 2015 at 7:54:44 AM

There's no way this happens. For the most part, Marvel has been very good about casting people based on their actual acting ability rather than superficial stuff like whether or not they look exactly like the character or if they can do their own stunts.

Deciding to cast an MMA fighter, particularly one who can't really act, from what I've seen at least, would be a very odd decision. I'm sure just like everyone else, they're gonna go with someone who can embody the character, not someone who can best handle the fight scenes. They have fight coordinators and stunt doubles for that.

They got away with that with Drax and Batroc, but Drax wasn't carrying an entire movie based on Batista's acting abilities, while Batroc was basically a glorified cameo.

edited 2nd Oct '15 7:55:45 AM by comicwriter

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43828: Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:11:26 AM

Besides Carol will probably be doing more flying and energy blasting in her movie anyway. Her powerset doesn't really require a trained martial artist to portray her.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43829: Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:28:49 AM

Thanks for the link. Mmm...sounds very reasonable. Especially the part about wanting to have a script first before deciding on an actress. Way too often it is the other way around, and I have never been a fan of stunt casting.

I don't think that DC can afford people not tuning into Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. I really hope that she got the role because she blow them away during screen testing, because her resume isn't particularly impressive, and so far, I haven't seen her in any role which would make me think that she can carry a movie.

I really doubt that Marvel will pick Rhonda Rousey. Batista had a secondary role in a movie which was mostly designed as a test. If Got G had failed, it would have been too bad, but would have had zero consequences for the MCU as a whole. But there is a lot riding on Captain Marvel.

I also don't think that they will pick Emily Blunt. Didn't they offer her roles twice already? Black Widow and Peggy Carter? Even if Emily Blunt would now suddenly change her tune, because the MCU is the biggest thing out there and they are offering a leading role this time around, the whole story with Norton should have made Marvel careful concerning actors who are reluctant to commit to their movies, even if it worked out with Chris Evans in the end.

I usually don't participate in fan castings because, well, I don't know the script, but from the names which are currently bandied around, Kathrine Winneck is my favourite. Less because she looks the part and actually has a black belt, but because she already plays a role in which she is the action girl while still inserting a lot of femininity into the role.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43830: Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:37:15 AM

Emily Blunt isn't really "changing her tune." They offered her Black Widow and Peggy Carter but she was tied up in other films both times. When Iron Man 2 was about to start, she was contractually obligated to that really terrible remake of Gulliver's Travels.

edited 2nd Oct '15 8:37:55 AM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43831: Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:51:51 AM

The thing with Emily Blunt is she got screwed both times due to bad timing/genuine prior obligations that got in the way. And Edward Norton already was infamous for being hard to work with, while Emily Blunt comes off a lot more pleasant.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43832: Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:54:03 AM

And then there's Terrance Howard.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43833: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:09:23 PM

Marvel is apparently taking a stab at the concept of an half an hour comedy based in the MCU, too, with Damage Control. Any thoughts?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43834: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:20:26 PM

Okay, this is weird. Not that Marvel would want to make a comedy - although that's certainly strange - but that it came at the same time as DC's own comedy about unpowered office workers in a superheroic universe.

I don't know really how "Damage Control" would work in the MCU. With the new Inhumans, there might be enough incidents now so that they would get a lot of work cleaning up after them, but then it might also marginalize the drama of other shows and movies to them have a comedic team come in and start making jokes.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:21:39 PM by alliterator

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#43835: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:31:07 PM

[up]Humor is not opening your mouth for a joke that would be said at a stand up show in the same exact fashion as one. That's not organic humor. It's more than here's the joke and you laugh... when humor feels like a natural part of the situation or person's personality then it becomes organic. A fundamental part of human nature. You are just pointing out the absurdities in life and having fun with it, which happens on a daily bases in our reality. Resorting only to jokes limits your humor, especially for anything in the comedy genre. Characters shouldn't feel like their whole existence is dedicated to making the audience laugh as hard as possible. They should just be themselves and through their prescriptive we will laugh. I don't want a comedian. I want a person.

Yes various websites report the script is for the sitcom genre, but sitcoms like Goldbergs do so much better than Big Bang Theory because they don't try so hard to throw out joke after joke. Unlike Goldbergs, Big Bang did not master the visual gag. It did not master the art of finding humor in the little things like waiting in a long line for a Star Wars convention with your little brother, who you don't want to get caught hanging out with.

Howard: Laugh, laugh, laugh because I have jokes you should laugh at...

Big Tasty: Laugh at me because I'm just a silly idiot, but wait that's just how I am really.

Winier Big Tasty.

No one reported Damage Control would cross over into Agents of SHIELD or the Netflix verse and if that ever happened then the most obvious choice for any person in charge would be a filler episode. Their presence would be awkward in the presence of something more tense.

A band of colorful mavericks cleaning up the after math from aliens, alien hybrids, scientists gone made, superhumans, superheros, robots, evil organizations, and the supernatural without any recognition (SHIELD, army, or superheros take it all) sounds like a good place to explore the importance of humor during hard times. Right now Civil War is shaping up to be the most serious Captain America film, while Agents of SHIELD season 3 just opened up with the president declaring a state of emergency. Jessica Jones advertises an alcoholic prone to violence. Daredevil just ended with Karen horrified over her action, while Stone and Stick spoke of a war beyond anyone's intimation.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:23:57 PM by xbimpy

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#43836: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:38:26 PM

It's kind of funny, I thought Agents of SHIELD would basically be Damage Control (you know, about the "schlubs" dealing with superhero/supervillain issues, rather than the elite) and was disappointed that it wasn't.

So, color me pleased.

Edit- Also, IIRC in a later comic it turned out that the CEO of the Damage Control organization was really a bad guy and had done stuff to contribute to Civil War as some War for Fun and Profit. Which is rather a Cerebus Retcon, but would fit into the upcoming Civil War film and the ongoing theme of Hydra sleeper agents causing trouble.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:42:29 PM by Hodor2

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43838: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:50:00 PM

Humor is not opening your mouth for a joke that would be said at a stand up show in the same exact fashion as one.

I have no idea what the hell this means. Can anyone translate?

[up] Cool. I heard What We Do In The Shadows was really good.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:50:30 PM by alliterator

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43839: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:52:45 PM

[up]x5 I don't think it would impact the drama of the movies or TV shows any more then the fact that while Daredevil is beating human traffickers to a bloody pulp somewhere out in the galaxy is a talking raccoon.

In real life, people with dangerous or morbid jobs can sometimes develop a sense of humor about the whole experience, so it's not implausible the same holds true in the MCU. And from the looks of it Damage Control will be about the people who show up after 99% of the real danger has passed and won't necessarily be the ones pulling bodies out of the rubble.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:53:05 PM by Falrinn

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43840: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:56:26 PM

I don't think it would impact the drama of the movies or TV shows any more then the fact that while Daredevil is beating human traffickers to a bloody pulp somewhere out in the galaxy is a talking raccoon.

But both situations are played completely seriously. The raccoon may be a talking raccoon, but he still talks about serious things and being experimented on and so forth. Guardians of the Galaxy wasn't a straight up comedy - it was a comedy drama, with a huge emphasis on "drama."

I don't know how a straight up comedy would work, because I'm not sure what kind of comedy it would be.

And from the looks of it Damage Control will be about the people who show up after 99% of the real danger has passed and won't necessarily be the ones pulling bodies out of the rubble.

But even then, it still seems weird to me. In the Marvel Universe, it's fine because it's already cartoonish, but the MCU hasn't really strayed that much from "realism" in the destruction it shows.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:57:41 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43841: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:10:23 PM

Humor is not opening your mouth for a joke that would be said at a stand up show in the same exact fashion as one. That's not organic humor. It's more than jokes... when humor feels like a natural part of the situation or person's personality then it becomes organic. You are just pointing out the absurdities in life and having fun with it. Resorting only to jokes limits your humor, especially for anything in the comedy genre.

I feel like I just read a bad google translation.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43842: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:24:53 PM

[up][up] I think I approach things from a more fundamentally optimistic perspective. When I find out about something new, how it might fail or cause problems for the setting is the furthest thing from my mind. I prefer to think of it in terms of how it could work, and work well.

It could be that most of the humor in the show is derived from the characters having a strong sense of humor about their line of work, rather then reality itself operating on the Rule of Funny.

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#43843: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:26:08 PM

At this juncture, there is nothing the MCU could announce that would make me go, "That can't work."

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#43844: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:26:20 PM

WRONG THREAD! SORRY ABOUT THAT.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:35:47 PM by kkhohoho

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#43845: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:27:12 PM

ALSO WRONG THREAD, GAH, IT'S INFECTIOUS

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:27:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43846: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:33:07 PM

At this point it might be nearly a relief to see Marvel at something, just to take the pressure off. Well, something other than animated shows...though I wonder...I noticed that they cast a new voice actor for the Collector in Marvel's Got G. And then there is the title. While the Live Action shows all have the Marvel label in front of the title, the animated shows usually haven't. But for some reason they added it to Got G. It is as if they are trying to set the show apart for the other ones, which are apparently set more or less in the same universe.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43847: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:48:01 PM

They do actually, it's just that nobody pronounces it. There's a rather funny video of Jeph Loeb trying in vain to get a reporter to call Avengers Assemble "Marvel's Avengers Assemble" just like how the movie is technically "Marvel's The Avengers". Except she doesn't because literally nobody actually called the movie "Marvel's The Avengers" either.

S.J. Clarkson, one of the directors on Orange Is The New Black, directed the first two episodes of Jessica Jones.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:48:36 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43848: Oct 2nd 2015 at 3:08:41 PM

At this juncture, there is nothing the MCU could announce that would make me go, "That can't work."

This just in: Tommy Wiseau to direct big budget Spider-Man "One More Day" adaptation.

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#43849: Oct 2nd 2015 at 3:09:49 PM

[up] Hey, it's One More Day, getting Tommy Wiseau to direct it would be karmic justice.

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#43850: Oct 2nd 2015 at 3:25:25 PM

It would be a masterpiece of badness, the likes of which the world has seen only a few times.

I would pay money to see it.


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