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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43801: Oct 1st 2015 at 4:07:25 PM

They probably will - I think it's been stated that T'Chaka is still alive during Civil War, so he might die during Black Panther's own movie.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#43802: Oct 1st 2015 at 4:16:03 PM

[up]Ah, okay. Wonder what he's doing raiding the Avengers facility, and how badly Falcon will get his ass kicked trying to stop him.

EDIT: Or maybe it's a different building he's clinging to.

edited 1st Oct '15 4:17:16 PM by nervmeister

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43803: Oct 1st 2015 at 5:00:05 PM

They'll probably introduce a rough outline of Wakanda, such as the vibranium mines, who T'Chaka and T'Challa are and are like, and the Black Panther's powers. But the actual BP mythology, such as the pantheon, heart-shaped herb, Dora Milaje, Hatute Zeraze, and internal politics and history will be saved for the solo film.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43804: Oct 1st 2015 at 5:45:09 PM

Think they'll actually cast an actor for T'chaka in Civil War or will they save that for the Black Panther film itself?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43805: Oct 1st 2015 at 6:36:25 PM

Last rumors were on Ernie Hudson as T'Chaka.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43806: Oct 1st 2015 at 6:51:52 PM

"If there's some vibranium in it, I'll believe anything you say."

Ah, okay. Wonder what he's doing raiding the Avengers facility, and how badly Falcon will get his ass kicked trying to stop him. EDIT: Or maybe it's a different building he's clinging to.

That's a different building. The Avengers HQ exteriors were all shot in England while the set photos from that scene were in Berlin.

Black Widow is shown wearing formal wear during that scene so some have suggested it's some sort of government building or courthouse.

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#43807: Oct 1st 2015 at 7:04:59 PM

Going back to Doctor Strange turning out to be an origin story, I've always suspected that future solo movies would INVOLVE the hero's origin, but that said origins wouldn't be the focus. Take Tim Burton's Batman, where the hero's origin was gradually revealed through flashbacks. So maybe that's what Feige meant instead of the standard origin story formula we've gotten in Marvel movies so far?

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#43808: Oct 1st 2015 at 7:59:47 PM

I know everyone's tired of retreading Spider-Man and Batman and Superman's origins, but did anyone really expect that Marvel would throw an obscure character like Strange on the screen and make no effort to justify him to the audience? That they'd go, "So, here's the Sorcerer Supreme, you all know him I'm sure, we're all comfortable with sorcery in the Marvel U, OH LOOK IT'S DORMAMMU FIGHT SCENE NOW!"

Of course it's an origin story.

edited 1st Oct '15 8:00:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43809: Oct 1st 2015 at 8:05:22 PM

That's also why I think Captain Marvel's movie is going to be an origin story. The only new movie that's not going to be an original is Inhumans because, well, you know.

edited 1st Oct '15 8:05:33 PM by alliterator

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#43810: Oct 1st 2015 at 8:23:12 PM

Dr. Strange doesn't have to be an origin story. I think Blade did this pretty well- it's made clear that Blade has been killing vampires for a while, and they wrap up his origin when the new guy is being brought up to speed. Strange operates in a similar fashion, fighting his shadow wars with Cthon and Dormmamu and all the others on other planes of existence, so we even have a reason why no one's heard of him before. Why didn't Strange show up when the president was kidnapped by AIM? Because he had more important things to do. Why didn't Strange show up when the Chitauri invaded Manhattan? Because he had more important things to do.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#43811: Oct 1st 2015 at 8:25:50 PM

I can see that but I think Strange kind of lends himself to an origin story (although unfortunately a stock Mighty Whitey one). Because there's this real dichotomy between Strange as a (presumably rational) doctor/man of science to Strange as a powerful sorcerer. It's the kind of thing you have to show on screen- you can't just have him doing magic and allude to the fact he used to be a normal guy.

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#43812: Oct 1st 2015 at 8:26:40 PM

It's the old "theory of constant evil": The reason superheroes don't usually show up in each other's stories to save the day is because they are all simultaneously busy with something else. The team-ups are the rare occasions they aren't.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43813: Oct 1st 2015 at 8:36:08 PM

Carol Danvers' origin (Air Force pilot finds big Kree machine, it goes boom, bam powers) can probably be confined to a pretty quick 15 minute segment, and Black Panther has the opportunity to siphon off a lot of exposition in Civil War so the solo film can jump into the action.

But the part of Doctor Strange's origin where he trains under the Ancient One is full of interesting story and conflict potential in and of itself. It would be a shame if they just sped through it. I mean, they've got Ejiofor Baron Mordo, and I'd hate to see him wasted.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#43814: Oct 1st 2015 at 9:07:09 PM

But for some reason, when I try to imagine Dr. Strange's training, I keep picturing Hogwarts :)

Wasn't Joaquin Phoenix in talks to play Dr. Strange at one point. I think if they went with an older actor, they would have avoided a straightforward origin story.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43815: Oct 1st 2015 at 9:53:58 PM

I never expected them o skip the origin of Dr. Strange completely (his motivation for seeking out magic is kind of important after all), but I hope, they mix it up a little bit and work with flashbacks. And it sounds like they intend to do that, so I am good.

You know what would be really great? If his destroyed hands were not the result of a car accident, but of something we have seen in the MCU already.

edited 1st Oct '15 9:54:53 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43816: Oct 1st 2015 at 9:55:05 PM

But the car accident was his own fault, so his ruined hands are a result of hubris.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#43817: Oct 1st 2015 at 9:55:30 PM

[up][up]Chitauri falling on him?

edited 1st Oct '15 9:55:45 PM by Hodor2

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43818: Oct 1st 2015 at 9:55:43 PM

[up][up][up]That would be kind of interesting.

Like maybe the Hulk wrecking Harlem, perhaps, which in turn causes the accident that Stephen Strange has which wrecks his hands?

edited 1st Oct '15 9:56:02 PM by higherbrainpattern

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43819: Oct 1st 2015 at 10:07:29 PM

But, again, his wrecked hands are his own fault. That's kind of the point.

edited 1st Oct '15 10:07:35 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43820: Oct 1st 2015 at 10:19:48 PM

He could have been one of those stupid people who didn't hide themselves during "Thor the Dark World"...there are a couple of ways to add his hubris into the mix.

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#43821: Oct 1st 2015 at 10:22:11 PM

It was otherwise... eh but the training segment from the Dr Strange animated movie was good.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43822: Oct 1st 2015 at 10:24:59 PM

I hope the Ancient One is like the Sphinx from Mystery Men.

Dr. Strange: (balancing a tack hammer on his head) Why am I doing this, again?

The Ancient One: When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack.

Dr. Strange: And why am I wearing the watermelon on my feet?

The Ancient One: <beat> I don't remember telling you to do that.

edited 1st Oct '15 10:25:16 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43823: Oct 2nd 2015 at 12:09:13 AM

Oh, btw, where is the source for Feige saying that he pays attention to fan casting? (Not that I serious believe that they would do something as stupid as, let's say, putting Ronda Rousey into a role just because she looks good in a costume).

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43824: Oct 2nd 2015 at 6:42:11 AM

[up] Here's one

I get the impression that it's mostly a case of getting new ideas and perhaps choosing between two otherwise equally qualified candidates.

I seriously doubt that they'll get Rhonda Rousey because Marvel can't afford to take the same gamble WB did with Wonder Woman. I hope Gal Gadot knocks it out of the park as Wonder Woman, but that's the problem. I can only hope she will because she isn't a proven lead actress and I therefore can't know she will. And while Rhonda Rousey might be an unstoppable fighter, but she isn't yet a proven lead actress.

Marvel needs to get someone who is an unquestionably proven lead actress. So if Gal Gadot fails as Wonder Woman they still have some cards on the table and can still succeed with Captain Marvel (hopefully enough to ensure that any more female-led movies will be made in the next decade), and on the more optimistic side if Gal Gadot succeeds as Wonder Woman they can succeed that much more.

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#43825: Oct 2nd 2015 at 7:36:58 AM

Marvel can't afford to take the same gamble WB did with Wonder Woman.

Marvel can afford a lot of things. They dominate the box office every time they make a movie. They brought back Howard the Duck.

Marvel can take more chances than DC at this point because they've basically proven they can't fail no matter what property they adapt.

edited 2nd Oct '15 7:37:34 AM by TobiasDrake

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