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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43726: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:08:31 AM

Yeah, making her an Inhuman is just needlessly complicated - because it either means you have to watch AOS to understand or her entire origin and powers are handwaved.

If the only objection is "But Mar-Vell has to be introduced first," not really - Mar-Vell and Carol Danvers were pretty much introduced at the same time, it was just Carol didn't get powers until a few years later. They could compress all that down (like they've done before) and just introduce Mar-Vell and kill him off in the same movie, while having Carol as the main character.

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#43727: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:11:56 AM

I don't have a dog in the race because it broke its leg and had to be relocated to a nice ranch to covalesce but it'd be funny if the Captain Marvel movie turned Mar-vell into Abin Sur and basically did Green Lantern better than Green Lantern.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43728: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:13:28 AM

It comes up in relation to Captain Marvel a lot as a consequence of being a Legacy Character to someone who probably won't be adapted in a very major way as a consequence of having been Killed Off for Real decades ago. Since we're not going to spend much time if any with Mar-Vell, the question of how, exactly, to skip him is often brought up.

Ah, gotcha.

Well, we just did a legacy movie with Ant-Man and we're getting another with Black Panther, so it's not like it's impossible. Though I imagine Mar-Vell would have less of a role than Pym.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43730: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:26:30 AM

They could always do something like Green Lantern. Mar-Vell crashes on Earth and gives Carol her powers before dying.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43731: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:31:28 AM

Except Mar-Vell's powers aren't exactly transferable on their own. They would need the Psyche-Magnetron.

My idea is more: Mar-Vell comes to Earth looking for a rogue Kree who built the Psyche-Magnetron, gets into fight with Carol Danvers there, the Psyche-Magnetron explodes giving Carol powers and killing Mar-Vell. Boom, that takes twenty to thirty minutes, tops.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43732: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:34:16 AM

Jeremy Latcham on where they're going with the Avengers:

Well, I think it definitely is an end to some version of the team that we've come to know as The Avengers. Who knows exactly what's going to happen yet in that film, but I think this version of that team — and I think we started to hint at it at the end of "Age of Ultron," that the team will be evolving. And one of the things we love in the comics is that the roster is always changing. That new people are coming on to the team, and that you could pick up an Avengers book ten years later and you don't recognize people on the cover. But the ideas and the ideals and things that make the Avengers the Avengers, still exist, and I think that's part of what this culmination will be. We're seeing this version of the team doing this thing to save the universe, the galaxy, however you want to put it, and we'll kind of see where that goes. It's not the end of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but I think it is the end of part of it, for sure. We're still trying to sort out which parts.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43733: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:37:24 AM

[up][up]How is Carol going to be a threat to Mar-Vell?

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#43734: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:38:12 AM

[up][up]Well, now Marvel Animation will look like idiots for keeping the cast unchanging for most of the show in Avengers Assemble just so it matched the movie.

edited 30th Sep '15 10:38:24 AM by Theokal3

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43735: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:38:44 AM

On the subject of Captain Marvel, they could have both her and Mar-Vell be supporting characters in Infinity War: Part 1.

Carol's presence would initially be justified simply by her being an awesome pilot, and then her getting super powers and Mar-Vell's death would be woven into the main story arc of the movie. Then the actual Captain Marvel movie could pick up with her on a solo adventure (possibility because she gets stranded out in space in the course of the previous movie) already with superpowers.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43736: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:44:52 AM

How is Carol going to be a threat to Mar-Vell?

Sorry, I didn't mean that Mar-Vell got into a fight with Carol, but he got into a fight with someone else while Carol was there. That someone else would probably be Yon-Rogg.

Well, now Marvel Animation will look like idiots for keeping the cast unchanging for most of the show in Avengers Assemble just so it matched the movie.

But...they aren't keeping the same team. They are already confirming that they are adding new members.

edited 30th Sep '15 10:46:07 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43738: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:50:49 AM

Which reminds me...who is actually responsible for the stuff Marvel animation produces? Feige is the Movie guy, Loeb is the TV guy, but who is the Animation guy? (And can't we blame Perlmutter for the current state of the animated series? Please tell me we can blame Perlmutter...this is way easier if we have a specific target).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43739: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:53:33 AM

Well, now Marvel Animation will look like idiots for keeping the cast unchanging for most of the show in Avengers Assemble just so it matched the movie.

It actually sounds like they are, or are at least looking at bringing in more guest people. They confirmed Black Panther, Kamala Khan, Captain Marvel, the Inhumans, and Moon Knight are all gonna be in the third season next year.

Marvel Movies Will Eventually Reference the TV Shows

Right...eventually. Though I could see some vague allusion to the Inhumans in Civil War.

edited 30th Sep '15 10:54:13 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43740: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:08:08 AM

Marvel Movies Will Eventually Reference the TV Shows

Well, finally.

AOS at least is reaching the point where stuff is happening that movies just plain can't ignore or supercede any more without outright being contradictory.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43741: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:10:07 AM

Feige is the Movie guy, Loeb is the TV guy, but who is the Animation guy?

Well, at the moment, former Marvel editor Steve Wacker is the Vice President of Marvel Animation.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43742: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:12:20 AM

[up][up]"You hear about that Inhuman stuff, Cap?" "What the fuck are Inhumans?"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43744: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:18:17 AM

People literally all over the world steadily gaining superpowers is kind of significant. If anything, it's one of the biggest things that ought to be addressed with the Act/Accords in Civil War.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43745: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:18:52 AM

[up][up][up][up]And who is the president?

[up]And wasn't the whole point of including Ellis to set up the Accords?

edited 30th Sep '15 11:19:39 AM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43746: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:20:26 AM

They probably won't mention "Inhumans" (because nobody but SHIELD knows about that name, really), but they could mention "biomorphic events" that have been affecting people.

And wasn't the whole point of including Ellis to set up the Accords?

Ellis didn't set up the Accords yet, he's only set up the ATCU. I have a feeling that the Accords are going to be an international thing.

edited 30th Sep '15 11:21:08 AM by alliterator

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#43747: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:20:58 AM

  • ROGERS: So, have you guys heard about this weird fish oil that's giving people superpowers.
  • STARK: As always, I'm three steps ahead of you. I'm already working on an Iron Man suit that will let me comb the depths of the ocean. We're declaring war on Atlantis.
  • ROGERS: You can't do that, Tony!
  • STARK: It wouldn't be the first sovereign nation I've invaded. Or you, for that matter. Or Thor. You know, I'm not sure if there's anyone on this team that actually respects national boundaries.
  • ROGERS: Not the point. This isn't Atlantis's fault.
  • STARK: How can you be sure?
  • ROGERS: Because nobody in Hollywood has managed to untangle the rights to Namor and nobody will for the foreseeable future. I'm not even sure I understand them at this point.
  • STARK: Fair enough, but what else could be causing—
  • THOR: Alien crystals are dissolving in water as a result of Coulson's adventures.
  • STARK: ...
  • ROGERS: ...
  • THOR: One of my closest associates sees literally everything. One of my best friends has teamed up with the S.H.I.E.L.D. cast twice. Why does everyone act like I'm still in the dark about the show?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43748: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:24:39 AM

Even though it'd be horribly out of character, Tony becoming the Eisenfuhrer and declaring war on the sea would be hilarious.

edited 30th Sep '15 11:24:55 AM by KnownUnknown

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43749: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:25:52 AM

[up][up] [lol]

edited 30th Sep '15 11:26:06 AM by higherbrainpattern

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43750: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:27:37 AM

I just love how casually you have Tony say he's going to go to war with Atlantis.


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