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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#43701: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:36:46 AM

I was under the impression they would have Mar-Vel never be Captain Marvel in this version and instead being a Abin Sur-like character who would give her her powers.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#43702: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:43:03 AM

Can't she just be an inhuman?

I mean, that's the simplest way to explain getting powers in the MCU without Mutants which, let's face it, was always just an easy excuse to justify random superpowers.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43703: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:05:46 AM

I still think that they will introduced Mar-Vell, but kill him off halfway through the Captain Marvel movie. That makes the most logical sense.

[up] I think Marvel is saving the movie Inhumans for the movie Inhumans.

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#43704: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:07:36 AM

Literally every superhero could "just be an Inhuman" but that's a really lazy road to start going down.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43705: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:37:11 AM

[up]I don't think that it is lazy. Exploring how different characters react to their powers and how they deal with it is way more interesting than making up reasons how they get said powers.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#43706: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:43:21 AM

If Phyla-Vell shows up in Guardians 2, that might be a good way to introduce at least the existence of Mar-Vell.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43707: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:44:43 AM

Exploring how different characters react to their powers and how they deal with it is way more interesting than making up reasons how they get said powers.

Except some of those characters got powers in interesting ways that already explore their character. Changing them for the sake of simplicity would just be changing them for no reason.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43708: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:53:57 AM

I doubt they're going to make Carol an Inhuman. It's not like her origin is terribly complex to begin with. "Human soldier finds alien artifact. Said alien artifact blows up in her face. Human soldier wakes up in hospital with superpowers."

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43709: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:56:46 AM

[up][up]And some of them have very run-of-the-mill origin stories which perhaps should get rewritten. They already did it before, with more or less the whole team of Got G. For some (groot, Rocket, Drax) they simplified it, and for Star Lord they more or less changed his whole history.

[up] Which is exactly why it would make sense to streamline it a little bit instead of introducing yet another source for superpower into the MCU. They did the same with Hulk by connecting his origin with the Supersoldier serum.

edited 30th Sep '15 8:58:23 AM by Swanpride

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#43710: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:59:13 AM

We already have enough sources that more will not make things more complicated.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43711: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:59:52 AM

The Guardians needed to have simple origins because that was the only way to give them all proper screentime in a film. Carol doesn't need that because she's the sole hero.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43712: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:00:11 AM

The Kree Empire are already an existing source in the MCU anyway.

[up]Bingo. She is not Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver jockeying with 7 other heroes for screentime.

edited 30th Sep '15 9:00:43 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43713: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:13:45 AM

Feige on the number of characters in Civil War:

"There were a lot of characters in The Winter Soldier, but it felt like a very singular and relatively simple thriller. Civil War follows in that same way," Feige said. "I think that's something [directors Joe and Anthony Russo] pride themselves on, and our screenwriters Chris Markus and Steve Mc Feely are excellent at giving each character just enough. They're not full arcs for everybody; it's just enough that their presence is felt and important, but that the very clear single story that is being told is being served at all times."

And then this:

"It’s very much, in a certain way, the completion of a Captain America trilogy," Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige explained at a recent Q&A to promote the release of Avengers: Age of Ultron on DVD and Blu-ray. "I think one day you’ll look back and watch — ’Captain America: The First Avenger,’ ’Captain America: The Winter Soldier,’ and ’Captain America: Civil War’ — and it’ll be one of the most unique and different trilogies ever around a single character."

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43714: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:16:42 AM

Which is exactly why it would make sense to streamline it a little bit instead of introducing yet another source for superpower into the MCU. They did the same with Hulk by connecting his origin with the Supersoldier serum.

All this proves is that it's possible to have more than one source of power in the MCU. Like with Thor and Loki. And Carol's powers will still be connected to other apsects of the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43715: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:21:14 AM

Just because Captain Marvel gets a movie of her own it doesn't mean that it has to focus on how she gets her power. We really had enough movies of this kind. I expect that Dr. Strange will deal with his origin mainly in flashbacks and delve directly into the weird, Black Panther will turn up before his actual movie so he won't get an origin story either and Spider-man is already around, too. I think the MCU is mostly done with origin stories, unless they encounter a really compelling one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43716: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:33:41 AM

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I wonder when they're releasing the trailer. Shouldn't it be out around this time?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43717: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:38:30 AM

Just because Captain Marvel gets a movie of her own it doesn't mean that it has to focus on how she gets her power.

But wouldn't getting her power from Terrigenesis just be shifting one origin story to another? Then you'd have to explain the whole thing about the Kree and the Inhumans and why bother when she already has her own origin involving the Kree?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43718: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:44:56 AM

Where is this even coming from? Like why are we assuming they'd even need/want to change her origin so drastically?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43719: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:47:11 AM

Yeah. I mean, Carol's origin will probably be connected to Mar-Vell in some way.

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#43720: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:47:50 AM

It comes up in relation to Captain Marvel a lot as a consequence of being a Legacy Character to someone who probably won't be adapted in a very major way as a consequence of having been Killed Off for Real decades ago.

Since we're not going to spend much time if any with Mar-Vell, the question of how, exactly, to skip him is often brought up.

edited 30th Sep '15 9:48:25 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43721: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:48:10 AM

[up][up][up]They just established in Ao S that the terrigen crystals in the eco system will cause Inhumans to appear all over the world. Which made me wonder if they will simply go for that explanation for Captain Marvel's power. Because, why not? That's how Miss Marvel (more or less) got her powers, through the terrigen bomb.

edited 30th Sep '15 9:48:28 AM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43722: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:49:11 AM

Becuase that would require people to watch Agents of SHIELD.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43723: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:52:54 AM

[up]It really wouldn't. It only requires a scene in which, for example, someone gets briefed about the fact that due to a substance in the eco system people are suddenly displaying special abilities, they don't need to retell the whole arc in Ao S. Plus, the story with the Kree and the alien genes have to explained sooner or later in the movies anyway, for the Inhumans movie.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43724: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:56:53 AM

Plus, the story with the Kree and the alien genes have to explained sooner or later in the movies anyway, for the Inhumans movie.

Which can be done in the Inhumans movie.

I'm just not convinced there's a real good reason to alter Carol's origin to include the Terrigen Fish.

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#43725: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:58:14 AM

A film doesn't necessarily have to explain terrigenefish to have a character encounter the Mists, especially with the latest episode expositing that although the tainted fish oil has been pulled off the shelves, the dissolving terrigen crystals have globally saturated the ecosystem.

That said, I stand by my opinion that changing Carol's origin to just being an Inhuman is a pointless effort.

edited 30th Sep '15 9:59:58 AM by TobiasDrake

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