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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43501: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:49:13 AM

Or if Thor said a variation of the "We would have words with thee" quote to Thanos.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#43502: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:49:55 AM

Hell, both.

In fact, in the last scene, have every Avenger say their best quotes from their comics. That would be awesome.

edited 28th Sep '15 11:50:47 AM by dRoy

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#43503: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:54:28 AM

Hank Pym: "Shut up! I've got to do this! I've got to save the day right before their eyes!"

*Slaps Thanos across the face*

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43504: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:55:13 AM

The thought of old grumpy Hank Pym just slapping Thanos is amazing.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#43505: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:56:38 AM

[up][up][up]The fanservice shouldn't feel too obvious and shoehorned.

edited 28th Sep '15 12:07:39 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43506: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:59:14 AM

Everyone saying their best quotes from the comics would be...terrible and pointless. I mean, it wouldn't even make sense. The "You move" quote is about Civil War and is all about going against the flow of the majority — which wouldn't make sense at all against Thanos. And the "We would have words with thee" isn't even how Thor talks in the MCU, so it wouldn't have made any sense even against Ultron.

I mean, if you just put in quotes without context, then it's exactly like X-Men: The Last Stand where the Juggernaut said, "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch," merely because it was popular.

edited 28th Sep '15 11:59:53 AM by alliterator

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#43507: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:01:00 PM

I did say "modified". I'm pretty sure you can tweak here and there and make it appropriate.

Or not. Whichever works the best. -shrugs-

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43508: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:01:15 PM

And was the best line in the movie.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#43509: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:03:38 PM

What movie? I thought they unhappened? tongue

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#43510: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:17:18 PM

The "you move" speech is fucking terrible. "America is all about never compromising on anything, especially matters of principle. Hence why the most recent Congress has been so productive."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#43511: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:18:25 PM

Well, okay.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43512: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:22:58 PM

Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell Help Captain America Propose to Black Widow

http://www.themarysue.com/captain-america-black-widow-con-proposal/

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43513: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:29:42 PM

Hopefully they used the opportunity to shot another dubsmash vid...I want to see Peggy and Steve together!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43514: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:40:43 PM

Thor says "I would have words with-" in Thor 1. He doesn't say "thee," but they could just as easily replace that part with "you."

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43515: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:29:24 PM

The "you move" speech is fucking terrible.

There is also that. On it's own, the speech is good. But then if you put it in different contexts, it completely breaks down and you start thinking the speech is about, say, Kim Davis and gay marriage.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#43516: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:40:37 PM

[up]The problem is that the speech seems intended to be contextless? Like, Cap isn't saying "always stick to your principles when the government decides to impact your life in some nebulously-defined way because superpowers." He's saying "always stick to your principles." Full stop. Without acknowledging that 1. a representative democracy is a form of government built on compromise and 2. some principles are fucking terrible.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43517: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:49:38 PM

It's too bad that when we had someone call Steve out on his stupidity it was by characters who were just as bad if not worse like Tony or Sally Floyd.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43518: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:56:04 PM

I think the "you move" speech could work if it is adjusted a little bit. You just need to include some basic principles most people would consider worth to fight for...you know, freedom, justice, compassion...and say that even if the whole world is against you, you should always stand up for those principles, even if society is ready to compromise on ideals it agreed on out of misplaced fear.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43519: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:12:18 PM

The problem is that the speech seems intended to be contextless? Like, Cap isn't saying "always stick to your principles when the government decides to impact your life in some nebulously-defined way because superpowers."

Yeah, if he was saying "Imprisoning people without trial is wrong" or "Forcing people to sign up for government service is wrong," that would have been perfectly fine. But he actually said:

Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."

I think a lot of people get caught up in the rhythm of the speech and forget that, well, no, the country wasn't founded on "standing up for what you believe," it was founded a bunch of rich people wanting to get away from an oppressive monarchy. And he's basically saying, "Screw democracy, just do what you believe it right no matter who tells you it's wrong."

See, I think he had a much better speech in What If #44, when he basically tells everyone that America is nothing without its ideals:

Well, I say America is nothing! Without its ideals — its commitment to the freedom of all men, America is a piece of trash!

A nation is nothing! A flag is a piece of cloth!

I fought Adolf Hitler not because America was great, but because it was fragile! I knew that liberty could be snuffed out here as in Nazi Germany! As a people, we were no different then them!

edited 28th Sep '15 2:12:33 PM by alliterator

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#43520: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:45:10 PM

Thank you to everyone who is saying what I've been saying since Civil War: that speech is f*cking awful and glorifies the absolute worst possible approach to a democratic society.

edited 28th Sep '15 2:45:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43521: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:53:58 PM

You know, sometimes I really wish that Civil War had been written by Warren Ellis and not Mark Millar. Can you imagine Captain America saying something like this: You want to know about voting. I'm here to tell you about voting. Imagine you're locked in a huge underground nightclub filled with sinners, whores, freaks and unnameable things that rape pit bulls for fun. And you ain't allowed out until you all vote on what you're going to do tonight. You like to put your feet up and watch "Republican Party Reservation". They like to have sex with normal people using knives, guns and brand-new sexual organs that you did not know existed. So you vote for television, and everyone else, as far as the eye can see, votes to fuck you with switchblades. That's voting. You're welcome.

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#43522: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:55:49 PM

...I don't want Captain America to make any speech involving "sinners and whores," thanks.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43523: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:02:13 PM

I'm more concerned about him dropping f-bombs like he's in a Quentin Tarantino film.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#43524: Sep 28th 2015 at 3:02:22 PM

Thank you Alliterator, for summing why I hated Civil War. One side consisted of idiot fascists, the other side was just idiots.

I think this is a good summary of what's wrong with Civil War.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#43525: Sep 28th 2015 at 4:53:43 PM

[up]I really don't get why people like you perceived it this way. I read the Civil War book myself, and frankly that's not how I perceived it. At all.


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