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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43376: Sep 25th 2015 at 10:56:06 AM

It could be more of a sting this time around. I mean, I give Ant-man a lot of credit because usually, Heist movies follow the same pattern. It always looks like everything goes wrong and then comes the "nahnah, all part of the plan moment". But in Ant-man, the heist actually does go wrong, from start to finish, and the heroes only scrape by due to some quick thinking. Still it would be nice to see an Ant-man movie in which the plan isn't something which is hastily thrown together, but a well planned sting along the line of what Leverage pulled every week. Perhaps with a little bit of White Collar thrown in for good measure.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#43378: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:25:11 PM

I'd still prefer it if they skipped the Ant-Man sequel and gave us a Wasp movie. I want to see Hope looking for Janet.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43379: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:41:24 PM

[up] I think a hypothetical Wasp movie would still be a de facto sequel to Ant-Man, just one that places more emphasis on Hope van Dyme over Scott Lang. There's no rule that says a direct sequel has to have the same title character.

The only practical difference between Ant-Man 2 and The Wasp is that Ant-Man 2 would give a bit more screentime to Scott Lang and his crew, while The Wasp would give more screentime to Hope and maybe add in an extra supporting character or two that's more relevant to her. No matter what the movie is called, they aren't going to remove Scott Lang from the story completely and Hope is going to be directly involved in the search for her mother.

edited 25th Sep '15 12:45:17 PM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43380: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:44:23 PM

I can see them pulling a Mad Max, meaning they call it Ant-Man to not confuse the audience, but the story is actually about Wasp while Ant-Man is more of a watcher.

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#43381: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:45:29 PM

Ant-Man: Flight of the Bumblewasp:: Quantum Quest::: WE'RE BRINGING BACK JAN EVERYONE also Scott is there too I guess

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43382: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:46:11 PM

[up][up] They could also split the difference and call it Ant-Man and The Wasp.

edited 25th Sep '15 12:46:20 PM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43383: Sep 25th 2015 at 12:50:27 PM

Ant-Man: Flight of the Wasp (hey, it is better than "Rise of the Wasp)

Is it just me...but is it possible that Marvel has adjusted their marketing strategy? At least concerning Ao S they have kept their cards really close to their chest this time around.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43384: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:08:10 PM

I'd still prefer it if they skipped the Ant-Man sequel and

I'm not sure one is even in the works. They might just give hi the Hulk treatment.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43385: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:10:26 PM

The reason why there isn't a Hulk sequel is because Disney doesn't want distribution money with universal. Ant-man did well enough.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43386: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:15:29 PM

I'd prefer the sequel just be called Ant-Man and The Wasp.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#43387: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:16:10 PM

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Tales to Astonish

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43388: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:17:25 PM

[up]x5 I haven't really noticed a lot of secrecy with Season 3 when compared to Season 2, though I admit I wasn't quite as plugged in to the Marvel news machine back then as I am now.

Civil War doesn't come out until May 2016, so I'm not expecting a trailer until November at the earliest, and I could see it come out as late as mid-December (they'll want to attach it to The Force Awakens regardless).

edited 25th Sep '15 1:17:45 PM by Falrinn

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#43389: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:39:05 PM

Season 2 poster for Agent Carter.

A dutch angle depicting Carter in a dress looking vaguely nonplussed. Not the best advertisement.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43390: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:43:33 PM

[up]I think it is cool. Very 1940s.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#43391: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:44:33 PM

Wait, are they doing that thing Marvel does where they release individual posters of all the characters and then assemble them into a super-poster?

Because if this is just a piece of it and supposed to represent Carter herself and not the season, then I take back my criticism, it's fine.

edited 25th Sep '15 1:44:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43392: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:44:40 PM

She's also holding a gun and there's a building with "Los Angeles" behind her.

[up]Not sure. It might be they are doing that, but it might not.

edited 25th Sep '15 1:45:14 PM by alliterator

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#43393: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:46:43 PM

Literally any promotional material is better than the "sometimes the best man for the job is a woman" spots ABC ran last year.

The poster is good by sheer virtue of not having "She's a secret agent and a girl? Gasp!" as the tagline.

edited 25th Sep '15 1:47:26 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#43394: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:47:17 PM

Antman and the Wasp Sounds good to me.

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#43395: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:50:19 PM

We already had Ant-Man. Just give us Wasp.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43396: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:51:04 PM

The reason why there isn't a Hulk sequel is because Disney doesn't want distribution money with universal. Ant-man did well enough.

It did well enough but I suspect they'll just have him in team-ups for the time being. They're all slotted out for solo films anyway.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43397: Sep 25th 2015 at 1:55:40 PM

The Dutch Angles are typical for Agent Carter Posters. It is a consistent art-style.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43398: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:12:26 PM

[up]Something about the proportions in the Agent Carter poster look a little off. Like they airbrushed her arms too hard and now it looks like she has no elbows.

[up][up][up]I wonder if just calling Ant-Man's sequel The Wasp might be better or worse for sales. After all a lot of people said they weren't interested in it precisely because the name "Ant-Man" sounds lame. "The Wasp" is a lot less so. On the other hand since Ant-Man did pretty well it might give the name more brand power these days, and it's not like the name helped Green Hornet, though part of it might also be because that movie just sucked.

Anyway, I agree that making the sequel about Hope and her search for her mother would probably be a more interesting story than something else Scott-centric, since as people mentioned earlier risks It's the Same, So It Sucks. If that's the route they go putting Ant-Man first and foremost in the title might be misleading on top of sending a bad signal that the execs still can't trust an action movie with a female lead to sell without the help of a man.

edited 25th Sep '15 2:15:25 PM by AlleyOop

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#43399: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:18:09 PM

hope is just a more interesting character to me.

scott is a character type i've seen pretty much everywhere and there isn't anything that really helps him stand out and become someone i want to follow for another movie.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#43400: Sep 25th 2015 at 2:24:10 PM

[up][up] I fully expect both Scott and Hope to be major characters no matter what the title is or how it's marketed.

I think what could be the biggest determining factor is actually less the actual contents of the movie and more how Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel do. If one of them is a massive success, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if within a month Marvel just happens to announce the official title of the Ant-Man sequel is The Wasp.

edited 25th Sep '15 2:24:22 PM by Falrinn


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