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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42976: Sep 11th 2015 at 3:40:57 PM

Does anyone know if there's a difference between the 2 disc and 1 disc Blu-Rays beyond being able to watch the movie in 3D?

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42977: Sep 12th 2015 at 4:23:34 AM

I just watched the norn scene. I imagine that's the direction they would take with the dr strange verse when he faces darker forces. I think possessions like that would be great for Chthon. I heard most of the deleted scenes were in the Swedish release. Hmm "for all this ambition and briliance only blinds...haha... your too late dark as a moon embrace despair" alludes to Raganork or Thanos? Either way it was daunting.

edited 12th Sep '15 6:27:42 AM by xbimpy

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42978: Sep 12th 2015 at 8:57:39 AM

I like that the alternate "find out about Strucker" scene actually mentions Thor trying to get in contact with Heimdall, but not being able to get in contact with him. Very neat, brief connection between the two plots and info and such.

Reminds me of the arc in Earths Mightiest Heroes where Loki is in charge of Asgard and Thor has no idea.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42979: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:25:52 AM

If Thor can't contact Heimdal, how does he manage to go back to Asgard in the end?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42980: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:51:38 AM

Heimdall can see everything that's going on, so when Thor raises his hammer as a signal to be transported back to Asgard, Heimdall does it.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42983: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:20:12 AM

I'm rather surprised anyone cared, considering that Icelandic is spoken by less than half a million people.

And if these movies were hitherto calculated not to elicit Icelander-specific Narm, they probably wouldn't have kept Loki's father's name as "Laufey".

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42984: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:20:56 AM

I want more odd aliens for the next one and not just humanoids though marvel comics has more of the later

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42985: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:32:35 AM

Marvel didn't name Loki's father Laufey, that comes from mythology (well, okay, she's his mother in mythology, not sure why they changed that for the comics, but still). In Eddic poetry, he's referred to as Loki Laufeyjarson, which corresponds to his name in Marvel, Loki Laufeyson.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42986: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:53:48 AM

There's a world of difference between it being the name of his mother or his father. That's the reason for why it comes off as incredibly Narmy for an Icelander. "Laufey" is still used as a woman's name in Iceland, and a pretty mundane, non-badass woman's name at that. To imagine the effect, imagine if Thanos were named "Alice".

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42987: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:59:53 AM

Well, Laufey being the King of the Frost Giants comes from the comics. And his name doesn't mean anything weird, either, so there wouldn't be any actual objections to it (I doubt there was any objections to it in Iceland).

edited 12th Sep '15 11:00:06 AM by alliterator

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42988: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:10:51 AM

I am Icelandic, and I can assure you that many of us found it pretty hard to take seriously. Not because the name means anything particularly weird, and more because it's exclusively a woman's name — I've had classmates and teachers named Laufey, all of them quite female.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42989: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:16:21 AM

But it doesn't mean anything obscene, now does it?

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42991: Sep 12th 2015 at 12:56:37 PM

Bad guys can get away with over top weird ridiculous names. Point taken Rainbow Raider. If we watched a movie about a hero named Rainbows Raider could you take it seriously without laughing? Polka Dot Man, Bug Eyed Bandit, Granny Goodness, Calender Man, Mister Mxyzptlk, Captain Cold, Negasonic Teenage Warhead. These names are in English and I speak only English and they are LOL, can't take you seriously

edited 12th Sep '15 1:08:14 PM by xbimpy

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#42992: Sep 12th 2015 at 1:03:37 PM

Justify to yourselves all you want, but you're still telling someone who's actually a part of that culture that it doesn't sound ridiculous to their culture.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42993: Sep 12th 2015 at 2:26:40 PM

[up] This.

edited 12th Sep '15 2:26:53 PM by AlleyOop

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#42994: Sep 12th 2015 at 2:30:34 PM

Well put.

Just to clarify, it's Laufey himself that's weird, right, not Loki's "surname"? I mean I don't imagine that there are that many people using Matronymics, but is it unheard of?

Edit- Apparently not.

Edit2- I"m surprised MCU!Loki doesn't use the surname/matronymic Friggson- although that is awkward-sounding in English

edited 12th Sep '15 2:33:44 PM by Hodor2

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42995: Sep 12th 2015 at 2:38:02 PM

It's uncommon, but not unheard of. Most Old Norsemen (and modern Icelanders) use patronymics. Matronymics tend to be the exception to the rule.

Which is how I imagine the error got made: Stan Lee probably took a glance at Loki's name, assumed it was a patronymic like most others, and didn't bother to read up on it any further.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42996: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:29:23 PM

Wouldn't using the mother's name suggests that the father's name isn't known? In any case, I don't think that it is possible to avoid that some names sound funny in different languages, but it is possible to avoid using words which have sexual connotations.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42997: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:37:48 PM

No, Loki's dad's name is given in Snorri's Edda — he's called Fárbauti. I don't know that'd be too difficult to pronounce or something, but there you go.

Incidentally, the mythical Loki is stated to have two brothers named Býleistur and Helblindi. Have those two ever turned up in anything Marvel related?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42998: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:40:05 PM

[up]I meant usually, not in Loki's specific case.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#42999: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:47:21 PM

I don't think so. Theoretically, and legally, it could go either way. In practise, the father's name is almost always used. For, I assume, the same reason most people in the western world don't adopt their mother's surname.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#43000: Sep 12th 2015 at 4:35:30 PM

[up]The Iberian languages actually do adopt the (one of the)mother's surname, as well as the father's. The main surname do tend to be the father's, though.


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