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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42826: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:41:41 PM

Yea this sounds more like the film advertised. Basically we got pieces missing but its not too damaging. The final film still made its point

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42827: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:44:23 PM

Ok I seriously want to see what they did with zemo.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42828: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:44:43 PM

Well, now I'm even more angry that the film never got an extended cut. Seriously, there's not even an option to watch the unfinished deleted scenes in their chronological place in the movie or anything?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42829: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:45:23 PM

So I take it these scenes have unfinished special effects right?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42830: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:47:50 PM

It depends on when they were cut. If they were cut early on, yep, probably they don't have finished special effects. If they were cut late on the game, then they might have special effects added already or some special effects.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42831: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:50:49 PM

If they were finished I'd question why they left them out of the DVD version at all. If they're unfinished it's a bit more understandable.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42832: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:55:41 PM

Do you mean the film itself or the DVD bonuses? Because as far as we know the scenes are included in the DVD extras.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42833: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:58:26 PM

If they were cut out of the movie late in the game, it was probably due to pacing problems. Lots of times these kinds of issues will come up during the editing stage.

The first Avengers movie, actually, had an entire framing story, with Maria Hill being interviewed by the World Security Council. It was cut because it just wasn't needed.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42834: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:58:45 PM

I mean the film. If they have finished effects they might as well just give people the option to watch the film with them in their proper spot.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42835: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:03:49 PM

Hmm, considering pacing was one of my bigger problems with the film I feel like the added exposition/character building would've made the movie a lot better if kept.

Plus that Iron Man vs Cap would've gone a way towards fans' issues with Whedon's apparent Tony favoritism and his coming off as a bit of a Karma Houdini in this film.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#42836: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:05:04 PM

That first scene with the twins was adorable.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42837: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:11:54 PM

In this case the pacing was off, though, because it didn't give the audience any breathing room.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42838: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:15:51 PM

I believe Joss already acknowledged that in an interview (which I can no longer find). He said he should have allowed the movie to breathe more.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42839: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:35:41 PM

Edit

edited 10th Sep '15 2:36:17 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42840: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:53:29 PM

Another rumor about who Marvel wants to play Captain Marvel, this time it's Rebecca Ferguson. Be warned, however: the rumor is from Umberto Gonzalez, who is known for stating things that later turn out to have never been true at all.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#42841: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:19:13 PM

Oh. I was expecting a different Rebecca Ferguson.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42842: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:34:57 PM

[up][up] She's Ilsa Faust in Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. I really liked her, and she was great as a Distaff Counterpart to Ethan Hunt.

"An alternative scene in which Black Widow is toying with the Hulk for believing she could actually fall in love with Banner"

GOD DAMMIT WHEDON.

That's 10 times better than your shitty love story.

I'm so angry.

edited 10th Sep '15 3:36:06 PM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42843: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:35:01 PM

[up][up]Though he has (disturbingly) been spot on about Civil War so far.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42844: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:39:55 PM

[up][up]Well, I for one am glad she chose the less dickish option of pushing him off a ledge.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42845: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:41:40 PM

It is better than what happened in my opinion.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42846: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:43:44 PM

[up][up] I'm not. That's what Natasha's arc in the movie should have been: Learning how to manipulate the Hulk/Banner by pretending to be in love with Banner, especially after Banner/The Hulk freaked her out in the first Avengers movie and almost killed her.

edited 10th Sep '15 3:44:42 PM by higherbrainpattern

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42847: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:49:27 PM

[up]The way you put it, it sounds more like petty revenge than anything.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42848: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:52:35 PM

Also makes Nat come across as sorta... evil.

I'm not a fan of what we got, but having her emotionally manipulate her own ally is worse.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#42849: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:53:37 PM

"Instead of a story about two broken people learning to understand and accept each other, then one being forced to betray the other, couldn't we have gotten a story about how an asshole woman manipulates an innocent man for her personal gain, like some sort of superheroized inverse Lifetime movie?"

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42850: Sep 10th 2015 at 4:03:05 PM

[up]Oh please. The romance between Widow and Banner came out of nowhere (and was badly done), and you know it.


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