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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42801: Sep 10th 2015 at 10:43:00 AM

Well, apparently it is a thing in the animated series. So I guess we get two different versions of his heritage.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42802: Sep 10th 2015 at 10:44:05 AM

[up][up]Maybe, but you would have to change him so much that it would simply be much easier to just replace him with a completely different character.

I mean, the MCU Star-Lord is completely different from the comics Star-Lord in any case - comics Star-Lord became an astronaut, met the Master of the Sun, and that's how he became "Star-Lord." MCU Star-Lord did none of that. At what point does it matter whether or not "J'son" is his father?

edited 10th Sep '15 10:44:30 AM by alliterator

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#42804: Sep 10th 2015 at 10:46:29 AM

I like Spartax. When written well, J'son was an entertainingly complex antagonist before he was dethroned and became the obnoxiously stupid Mr. Knife. He's basically Space Doom, looking out for his empire by whatever means necessary, often terrible means, while trying to get his son to accept his proper place in their government.

With Peter hiding in the criminal underworld to shirk the responsibility. He has ethical concerns with his father's empire but, at the same time, he really doesn't want to be a prince. He's Space Jasmine.

And now he's been elected to the throne and his extreme discomfort with having to finally face up to the responsibilities he's been running from for so long is fantastic.

I really like this dynamic. I feel like much would be lost if his father is Eros or Thanos or Cosmo or whoever.

EDIT: Although if his father does turn out to be Cosmo, I will certainly find that entertaining enough as well. tongue

edited 10th Sep '15 10:49:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42805: Sep 10th 2015 at 10:53:59 AM

Although if his father does turn out to be Cosmo, I will certainly find that entertaining enough as well.

I feel like we need to tell James Gunn this now. Because that would be hilarious. "Yes, Peter, I am you vather."

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42806: Sep 10th 2015 at 11:02:50 AM

I just want to see High Evolutionary show up. It'd be a shame not to involve him at some point. Though knowing MCU, he'll either be retconned into a celestial (instead of a former human like in 616) and/or be the one responsible for Adam Warlock or Rocket Racoon's creation.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42807: Sep 10th 2015 at 11:55:06 AM

Eh, the High Evolutionary pretty much is responsible for Adam Warlock. Before the High Evolutionary, Warlock was just known as "Him" and then the High Evolutionary found him and woke him up and then created a Counter-Earth where Warlock lived for a bit before doing the whole Jesus-dying-and-being-reborn thing.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42808: Sep 10th 2015 at 11:59:12 AM

[up]In 616, Warlock was engineered by a group of scientists called the Enclave. H. Evolutionary just found him later. What I'm saying is that MCU could decide to simplify Adam's origin by having H. Evolutionary be his sole creator.

edited 10th Sep '15 12:00:49 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42809: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:00:38 PM

Yes, I know. But he wasn't Warlock then, he was just "Him." It wasn't until the High Evolutionary/Counter-Earth stories that he really started to be called Adam Warlock.

The High Evolutionary was also the one that gave him the Soul Gem on his forehead, which was later retconned to be one of the Infinity Gems.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42810: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:03:39 PM

[up]Pretty much. Anyways, I'm all for seeing the dude debut in the MCU.

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#42811: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:31:33 PM

We all love Loki Charms, but how about Groot Loops?

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#42812: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:33:48 PM

Hah!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42813: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:35:16 PM

Age of Ultron - All deleted scenes that were on the BD/DVD.

-When the Avengers confront Ultron and the Twins at Ulysses Klaue's shipyard, Ultron complains that the world is not good enough it doesn't need the Avengers, but not bad enough they actually try to change it, and only if "something breaks" on a grand scale will the human race outgrow their selfishness and change things for the better.

-More on the rivalry between Hawkeye and Quicksilver, with Quicksilver mentioning Hawkeye is so irrelevant that Ultron and them didn't even factor him in their strategies to defeat the Avengers. Quicksilver also mocks Hawkeye as being too old and too slow in all their encounters.

-At Hawkeye's farm, Hawkeye's wife complains about a tool shed Hawkeye never finishes because he's always off with the Avengers. During the ending montage, he'd be seen finishing it.

-Stark calls the Twins "Flowers in the Attic", and they don't understand the reference. Wanda says it sounds lovely, Hawkeye quips "trust me, it isn't".

-Extended version of Banner infiltrating Ultron's fortress to rescue Black Widow. She then uses Chitauri weapons that Baron Strucker had salvaged to fight off the Ultron drones.

-Alternative version of Black Widow bringing out the Hulk by pretending to have toyed with Banner's emotions in order to put the Hulk on a leash and mocking him for thinking she could actually love him.

-Hawkeye policing the Twins throughout the Battle of Sokovia. At one point, he coaches them in how to more effectively use their powers to battle the Ultron drones.

-Captain America and Iron Man are at odds throughout the movie and part on less amicable terms.

-Alternative ending where Quicksilver survives due to Dr. Cho's medical technology and joins the Avengers alongside Scarlet Witch.

edited 10th Sep '15 12:39:00 PM by VeryMelon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42814: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:41:00 PM

When the Avengers confront Ultron and the Twins at Ulysses Klaue's shipyard, Ultron complains that the world is not good enough it doesn't need the Avengers, but not bad enough they actually try to change it, and only if "something breaks" on a grand scale will the human race outgrow their selfishness and change things for the better.

That's a shame. Imo, the film definitely could have used this.

-Alternative ending where Quicksilver survives due to Dr. Cho's medical technology and joins the Avengers alongside Scarlet Witch.

Lol.

edited 10th Sep '15 12:41:24 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42815: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:42:13 PM

I admit...I don't get "flower in the attic" either.

I am surprised, I was ready to bet that the talk between Ultron and Natasha was longer at one point.

The ending with Quicksilver surviving was most likely mostly shot to throw off people.

I am glad that they went with Natasha simply pushing Bruce.

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#42816: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:43:42 PM

[up] No, Whedon said months ago the ending was shot in case Marvel vetoed killing Quicksilver.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42817: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:44:59 PM

Flower in the Attic was about brother-sister incest.

He's basically making the same joke that we all make about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's relationship.

edited 10th Sep '15 12:45:14 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#42818: Sep 10th 2015 at 12:47:17 PM

Now I wish Quicksilver surviving was the ending they used. Not a big fan of the cave scene not getting shown in full.

[up]I'm not getting the connection.

edited 10th Sep '15 12:47:56 PM by Kostya

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#42819: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:02:47 PM

It's an obscure novel from the 80's about a pair of twins who live in an attic and develop an incestuous relationship.

Nobody getting the reference is probably why it was cut.

edited 10th Sep '15 1:03:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42820: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:06:18 PM

I saw the lifetime movie version of that film twice.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42821: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:06:41 PM

I actually knew about the novel, but I forgot the relationship part somehow.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42822: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:22:04 PM

Heh. There was a debunked report where they claimed Tony insults the Maximoffs by making a Cersei Lannister reference, but I guess the spirit wasn't far off with that Flowers in the Attic one.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42823: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:30:06 PM

Also where can those other scenes be watched?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42824: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:40:49 PM

-Hawkeye policing the Twins throughout the Battle of Sokovia. At one point, he coaches them in how to more effectively use their powers to battle the Ultron drones.

Damn, I would have loved to see the scene in actual film. I get why it was cut - it probably interfered with the pacing - but Hawkeye coaching those two would have been a really cool scene.

-Captain America and Iron Man are at odds throughout the movie and part on less amicable terms.

Huh. I wonder why they didn't use this, since it would neatly set up Civil War. Perhaps they didn't want to end on a downer note.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42825: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:41:31 PM

I was only able to find the one video. I think this is only about a 3rd of the deleted scenes on the Blu-Ray.


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