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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42751: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:58:52 PM

I think mixed lineage is the best bet they've got here.

As for Thanos getting up, he was clearly pretty fucking happy about it, like for the first time, there was something worth getting up over.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42752: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:00:22 PM

[up][up]That's because film markets generally don't ban movies over having evil black guys. China bans movies for having slightly offensive (to the Chinese government) content at a moment's notice.

edited 9th Sep '15 8:00:40 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42753: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:01:47 PM

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When you consider who the characters are it's like comparing apples and oranges. For whatever it's worth as an Asian person I'm fine with them leaving it where they did.

As for Mordo I hope the lack of Johnny Shitstorm is a sign that maybe audiences have learned to grow up a little. Though I still saw a handful of people complaining about it being racist because it came on the heels of the Tilda Swinton news or because they thought Strange was whitewashed (which is based on its own racist logic).

edited 9th Sep '15 8:11:20 PM by AlleyOop

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42754: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:05:02 PM

Baron Mordo also wasn't a hilariously offensive racial caricature.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42755: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:11:16 PM

[up]That was the old Mandarin. The modern one is nowhere near that bad,

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42756: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:18:14 PM

They are the same character.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#42757: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:19:29 PM

I still say just make Danny African-American or Hispanic.

My various fanfics.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42758: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:20:41 PM

I think Middle Eastern or Indian is a better choice actually. I can't think of any Marvel characters from those groups.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42759: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:24:46 PM

[up][up][up]Yes. But one looks like something straight out of a WWII propaganda poster. The other does not.

[up]Well then, say hello to Kamala Khan (Ms Marvel II).

edited 9th Sep '15 8:28:43 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42760: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:26:04 PM

[up][up] MCU characters or simply Marvel characters? Because Kamala Khan is Pakistani-American. And awesome.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42761: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:29:02 PM

I am amazed that I somehow forgot about Kamala Khan. She's one of the characters I really want in the MCU. In that case I vote they make Iron Fist Indian. There aren't any prominent superheroes from India. It's also located in Asia.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#42762: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:29:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]Well, Kamala Khan is Pakistani, which, depending on who you ask, it is neither or both.tongue

[nja]

edited 9th Sep '15 8:30:19 PM by Heatth

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#42763: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:44:53 PM

RE comments from last page- Good point. In a couple of years Yeun will be way too old and probably is right now- it would definitely be a case of Playing Gertrude for Claudia Kim.

Ki Hong Lee is a good suggestion though. Although he's only a couple of years younger than Yeung he looks a fair amount younger- It would be Dawson Casting, but I think he could probably pass as an older (18-19) teen.

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42764: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:53:57 PM

Native American Iron Fist could work.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42765: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:55:23 PM

Iron Fist will likely be white, maybe mixed white and asian.

They'll just try to downplay the negative tropes.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42766: Sep 9th 2015 at 11:25:40 PM

I vote for Native American.

Back to Amadeus Cho: He might not be the guy from Winter Soldier but if he were, he could have been graduating early. But even then he would be out of his teens at this point.

I actually don't expect to see him before Phase 4, but I really look forward to the notion.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42767: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:07:57 AM

I doubt cho will appear unless someone uses his mother again.

edited 10th Sep '15 2:10:33 AM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42768: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:09:48 AM

We need American Indian superheroes. They hardly get brought into the media and when it happens it's not worth noting

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42769: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:36:12 AM

It's a little bit cynical, but currently every movie studio out there wants to win the Asian market. It is huge. I would be very surprised if Amadeus Cho doesn't turn up sooner or later.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#42770: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:16:27 AM

As per the current All-new Marvel comics, he'll be the next Hulk. tongue

Which is kind of weird, because he doesn't really have the associated angst, does he? It's a curious choice.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42771: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:58:17 AM

Well, it would be boring to have the same Hulk by another name, wouldn't it? I personally don't like the exchange of one character in such a role, but if they have to do it, I think a different take is the better idea.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#42772: Sep 10th 2015 at 4:26:41 AM

Given Cho!Hulk's adjective (totally awesome) I'm guessing he's toning down quite a lot on the Hulk-angst.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#42773: Sep 10th 2015 at 4:48:18 AM

I suppose. It's quite a jump though.

Eh, this is what we end up talking about in the absence of a Civil War trailer WHERE EVEN THE HELL IS IT sorry.

edited 10th Sep '15 4:50:36 AM by edvedd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42774: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:50:40 AM

Don't talk to me. I am still suffering under Marvel withdrawal. Hopefully I make it to the end of the month.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42775: Sep 10th 2015 at 6:10:34 AM

Since Mantis will be in Guardians 2, I'm wondering if they'll be loyal to the source material and go the "Celestial Madonna" route with her or scrap it out of concern that her being a glorified uterus (by a religion no less) may not go over well with a large portion of the audience.

"As for Thanos getting up, he was clearly pretty fucking happy about it, like for the first time, there was something worth getting up over."

That leads to an interesting question. Will this Thanos be much like the death-infatuated Titan we know from 616, or will his motives strongly differ this time. Maybe in this continuity, being a nigh invincible un-aging being who's succeeded in just about every amazing thing you can imagine, he's grown jaded as a result and is now wondering if he should just end the universe with the Infinity Gauntlet (driven by curiosity instead of love for an abstract concept). But the Avengers (and probably the Guardians too) have recently piqued his interested. Now, he relishes the idea of having one last good time by fighting an opponent who has a chance of actually killing him. Whether he wins or loses doesn't matter to him, so long as it's interesting.

OR he could be a bit closer to 616 in that he wonders if there's "higher beings" beyond the veil of the known universe, and intends to use the Gauntlet to find out for himself (the destruction of the universe he thinks is a necessary step in order to do so).

edited 10th Sep '15 7:06:21 AM by nervmeister


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