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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42701: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:02:55 PM

Did he say when they met? I don't actually remember that being a plot hole (I mean, I remember the plot hole of Xavier walking in the flashback in the beginning of X3 and then being confined to a wheelchair in First Class, but I don't remember him saying when they met).

If I remember right, Xavier said in the first movie that he and Erik met when he was 17 or so, but then he was older in First Class. And there's also, yes, the more obvious issue of when exactly Xavier was confined to his wheelchair - though DoFP Hand Waved that by saying Xavier had a drug that could somehow fix his legs for brief periods of time.

But then X-Men Apocalypse is about to make another big stinkin' continuity error by having Jean be a teenager in the 80s when The Last Stand clearly showed her as a little girl when Xavier and Magneto were old people. I guess time travel can cause massive ripples in the course of history that changes when people are born in relation to each other.

Of course, the MCU hasn't brought in time travel, so things aren't quite that convoluted yet, but at the rate the MCU is developing, it's only a matter of time...

edited 8th Sep '15 8:03:28 PM by spashthebandragon

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42702: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:29:23 PM

I knew elevator was worthy.

edited 9th Sep '15 12:08:31 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#42703: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:33:58 PM

Either I'm not worthy to see the link, or it's a broke link.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#42704: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:46:22 PM

Jeeze, I didn't think the one little joke reason I added to my post to add a bit of levity would lead to creating director's cuts getting compared to killing people and destroying the world. That's an... odd stretch to make.

You asked why someone would make a director's cut. "Because they want to" is plenty enough reason. It doesn't hurt anyone or anything, as long as they have the money.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42705: Sep 9th 2015 at 12:08:46 AM

[up][up]Try now.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#42706: Sep 9th 2015 at 1:18:01 AM
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42707: Sep 9th 2015 at 1:42:27 AM

I am usually against alternative cuts, because I consider them cash grabs. And it is especially bad when something gets changed which doesn't have to be changed, like the question who shot first or the walkie talkies replacing weapons. But to every rule there are exceptions. For one, I am really, really happy that I have a cut of Beauty and the Beast from BEFORE the movie officially premiered, simply because it is an interesting study of animation (the extended scene cut is horrible, though, totally unneeded). The thief and the Cobbler is in no version a truly good movie, but the recobbled cut at least gives you an idea of what could have been. I would love to see I Am Legend with the originally planned ending, and not the one they put in theatres. The Donner Cut from Superman is also an interesting piece of cinema history.

There are exactly two movies in the MCU for which I would like to see a recut. One is The Incredible Hulk and the other one is Age of Ultron.

And one other Comic book movie I would love to see in a different cut: The Amazing Spider-man 2.

edited 9th Sep '15 1:43:18 AM by Swanpride

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42708: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:11:14 AM

How have we talked about Director's Cuts for this long without mentioning the Daredevil one?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42709: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:45:18 AM

That doesn't mean that I want the extended but to replace the original one, btw, I want both options.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42711: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:31:26 AM

I am a little bit puzzled why so many people expect him to go into space...he is needed for Infinity war after all.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42712: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:38:26 AM

He can be involved in Infinity War if he's in space.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42713: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:41:34 AM

[up]But it would be unnecessarily complicated to put him into space, pull him back to earth for the fight just to put him back into space. After all the reason fans want him there is planet hulk.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42714: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:45:24 AM

Banner could decide he likes space better and asks the Guardians to take him back at the end of Infinity War. Planet Hulk probably isn't happening though I don't think this matters too much.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42715: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:22:05 AM

People really want a Planet Hulk movie.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#42716: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:25:34 AM

...You know, I'd kill for a Planet of the Hulks movie. Then we can have Rise of the Planet of the Hulks and Dawn of the Planet of the Hulks.

edited 9th Sep '15 7:25:57 AM by Nightwire

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42717: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:28:27 AM

Where would you even fit this movie? We've got the entire schedule up until Phase 4 and at that point we're probably going to be getting sequels to the Phase 3 movies with one or two new properties. Adding in a sequel to a lackluster movie that's over a decade old would be a weird move.

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#42718: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:28:47 AM

[up][up][up] It all boils down to that. There are many reasons people have come up for why "it totally makes sense" for the Hulk to go to space but at the end of the day, people just want a film adaptation of one of the best Hulk stories ever written and don't care overmuch about the details for how we get it.

EDIT: I hope Captain America Civil War promotes Tony Stark to Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Director Stark was my favorite status quo for both Iron Man and S.H.I.E.L.D.

edited 9th Sep '15 7:30:34 AM by TobiasDrake

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42719: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:37:25 AM

How is it going to do that? Coulson is director.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42720: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:38:12 AM

Coulson is the director of Shield.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42721: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:09:08 AM

[up]x5 "Take your stinking hands off of me, you damn dirty Hulk!"

edited 9th Sep '15 8:09:54 AM by kkhohoho

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#42722: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:17:07 AM

The same way Winter Soldier dissolved S.H.I.E.L.D.: overruling the show. tongue Coulson's awesome, but the relationship between the show and the films is fairly one-sided; the films declare things and the show races to keep up.

  • COULSON: So, after all the hard work I've put into rebuilding the organization, the latest film just declared you're in charge. You'll excuse me if I have some reservations about this.
  • STARK: You'll excuse me if I have reservations about the fact that you've been alive for two years and nobody saw fit to mention this in any of my movies. Seriously, the hell kind of continuity is that?
  • COULSON: We've been doing our own thing just fine.
  • STARK: You sure about that? I've read reviews of the first season. Seems like you didn't even pick up steam until you started aping the plot from Winter Soldier.
  • COULSON: If by "aping", you mean expanding. The movies barely said two words about Hydra's infiltration before abruptly resolving it. We actually explored the ramifications—
  • STARK: Whoa, hold on, I think we're getting off on the wrong foot. Tell you what, I'm planning to build an elite squadron of agents decked out in Iron Man suits like I did in the comics. Why don't we fit you for one of those? Then you can be a heavy hitter on your team, instead of relying on everyone else.
  • COULSON: Please don't try to buy me off with extravagant gifts my effects budget will never allow me to actually use.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42723: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:17:27 AM

"You maniac! You smashed it up!"

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42724: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:21:51 AM

The same way Winter Soldier dissolved S.H.I.E.L.D.: overruling the show.

But at the time, the show was only about a small team of SHIELD agents. It was easy to say, "And then SHIELD fell!" With Coulson as Director, though, it becomes harder to say, "And then Stark became Director!" Because...how? There's almost a zero percent chance that Robert Downey Jr will show up on AOS.

But, I mean, if Stark still thinks Coulson is dead, he may think that there isn't any Director. And then he'll take over SHIELD in the movie and say, "I'm doing this job in memory of my buddy, Philip Coulson." And Coulson on the show would be all seething and saying, "I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it."

Okay, I changed my mind, that totally has to happen.

edited 9th Sep '15 8:22:28 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42725: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:33:38 AM

It wouldn't make any sense even if the TV show didn't exist, since in the movie verse SHIELD is dissolved save for a small group of agents lead by Nick Fury.

If we assume that Steve continues to lead the Avengers, Tony could lead a mirror organisation....as long as he does call his group REAL Avengers.


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