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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42651: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:09:26 AM

[up] Deleted scenes are included, but there's not going to be an extended edition. Joss has basically nixed anything like that.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42652: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:18:25 AM

[up]He has nixed a directors cut...that is not exactly the same.

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#42653: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:22:02 AM

Joss's opinion on bonus features and extended editions:

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42654: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:27:09 AM

[up]And usually, I would agree with him...depending on the nature of the deleted scenes, I might make an exception in this case, though.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#42655: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:28:24 PM

So Whedon thinks that once art is available to the general public, it shouldn't then be altered at all because the chance to better it isn't worth the risk of the artist second-guessing himself and making the product worse?

Well, I don't think getting any worse is really a problem Age of Ultron needs to be overly concerned about, but okay...

edited 8th Sep '15 1:29:35 PM by spashthebandragon

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42656: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:35:20 PM

[up] I mean, that was the problem with George Lucas. He kept on changing his films after the fact, decades after. Whedon just thinks that once art is out there, it's out there and it can't really be changed.

And a director's cut isn't going to change the mind of anybody who disliked the film.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42657: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:43:43 PM

[up]Considering my big complaint about the film was that it was way too rushed, an Extended Cut could actually be just what the doctor ordered for my opinion of it.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#42658: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:44:54 PM

[up][up] It might. I've heard, for example, the "Recobbled Edition" of The Thief and The Cobbler is definitely superior to the original cut.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:45:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42659: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:46:29 PM

[up][up]Right, but it wouldn't erase your dislike of the theatrical version, which is the official version.

I've heard, for example, the "Recobbled Edition" of The Thief and The Cobbler is definitely superior to the original cut.

The different there is that The Thief and the Cobbler had many, many different cuts to it and was mangled beyond belief. For AOU, Joss approved all the cuts himself.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:47:18 PM by alliterator

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#42660: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:55:21 PM

[up]Well, of course no director's cut would ever change anyone's opinion on the theatrical release. That wouldn't make any sense.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42661: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:56:35 PM

Still would love to see a longer version.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42662: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:08:49 PM

Back to my earlier proposal: Think that the Makluans would make a good stand-in for the Skrulls if MCU wants to do a Secret Invasion film before getting back the rights to FF?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42663: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:10:16 PM

Well, of course no director's cut would ever change anyone's opinion on the theatrical release. That wouldn't make any sense.

Which is why Joss doesn't do Director's Cuts. Once the theatrical version is out, he can't change it. Therefore, what's the point in making a Director's Cut?

(Yes, yes, I know the point is that many people want to see it. But Joss is Joss and he thinks once it's out of his hands, he shouldn't change it anymore.)

Think that the Makluans would make a good stand-in for the Skrulls if MCU wants to do a Secret Invasion film before getting back the rights to FF?

I think the Dire Wraiths might be a good stand-in.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:10:45 PM by alliterator

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#42664: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:17:53 PM

[up] I'd say that there's a difference between the theatrical cut and the movie, although I suppose that not everyone would be exposed a director's cut.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42665: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:22:46 PM

[up][up] I just looked up the Dire Wraiths. Not a bad idea, though I kind of still would rather see Earth get invaded by badass alien dragons (if for nothing else than the "wow" factor and the potential for satire based around "reptile people" conspiracy theories).

edited 8th Sep '15 2:23:09 PM by nervmeister

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#42666: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:28:39 PM

[up]x4 I've actually heard that Marvel does have the rights to Skrulls, just not the named Super-Skrulls. Could be situation not dissimilar to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver where Fox does have the movie rights to Skrulls in general, but not the exclusive movie rights.

The reason they didn't use the Skrulls in the first Avengers movie was simply because they weren't the right fit for the story they wanted to tell. Basically if a story doesn't call for shapeshifting alien invaders, then it doesn't call for the Skrulls.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:29:00 PM by Falrinn

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42667: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:30:56 PM

I don't understand how they could have the rights to the Skrulls (who were introduced in Fantastic Four) but not Kang the Conquerer (who was introduced as Kang in Avengers, but previously as Rama-Tut in Fantastic Four).

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#42668: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:43:51 PM

Found a source on the Skrulls, from none other then the mouth of Kevin Feige himself. He talked about it in an interview after the premiere of the first Avengers film.

[up] I think with these contracts there isn't a general rule that says "If it debuted in a Fantastic Four/X-men/Whatever comic it's part of the Fantastic Four/X-Men/Whatever movie rights". Instead when Fox bought the movie rights for Fantastic Four, they bought a massive list of characters, locations, and concepts they had the exclusive rights for, and a far shorter list of things they have the non-exclusive rights for (the second list may consist only of a single word "Skrulls").

Kang might of gotten attached to the Fantastic Four exclusive movie rights not because of any technicality with when the first incarnation of the character appeared, but because Marvel opted to throw him in order to sweeten the deal.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:44:55 PM by Falrinn

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#42669: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:51:34 PM

Hey, I know that with the bad blood between Marvel and Fox, a film adaptation of Avengers vs. X-Men is pretty much nigh-impossible, but if it was possible, how do you guys think it could work?

I figured that since the MCU and the X-Men universe are both really established things, and it would probably take forever to establish the X-Men in the MCU, what if it all starts with MCU!Scarlet Witch accidentally tearing a hole into the very fabric of reality and found a universe where her brother Quicksilver is still alive (aka the X-Men movie universe)?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42670: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:58:26 PM

And at the end, she goes "No more mutants" and the portal closes.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42671: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:58:34 PM

[up][up] when Fox bought the movie rights for Fantastic Four, they bought a massive list of characters, locations, and concepts they had the exclusive rights for, and a far shorter list of things they have the non-exclusive rights for

I forget where I read so but that does seem to be the case. It's pretty arbitrary who goes with who, but as the precise documents aren't public we can't be sure whose rights are where.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42672: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:58:53 PM

I'd rather nothing of the sort ever be adapted.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42673: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:05:15 PM

I always imagined that Thanos's shenanigans with the Infinity Gauntlet would indirectly lead to the Fantastic Four getting their powers in Phase 4. Like what if all the energy released from the massive battle in Infinity War resulted in the fateful cosmic storm (drifting aimlessly around space) that changed them?

edited 8th Sep '15 3:06:56 PM by nervmeister

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42675: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:14:07 PM

So are the various deleted scenes in the MCU movies canon or what?


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