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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42551: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:12:57 PM

The coat hanger isn't an entity.

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#42552: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:13:41 PM

It's not entirely clear if Vision is either.

He's either Worthy like Thor or Worthy like the coat rack. Further experimentation is required to definitively prove either.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:14:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42553: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:16:16 PM

But the elevator can lift Mjolnir! Elevator's not worthy.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42554: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:18:38 PM

[up][up]The coat rack is an inanimate object. Vision may or may not count as alive but he behaves like a living entity which is probably the distinction the hammer makes. It would also ruin the point of the one scene in AOU if there was some loophole that allowed Vision to lift it.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42555: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:22:41 PM

BTW, is Uru an official metal in the MCU?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42556: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:24:51 PM

I don't think they've said what Mjolnir is made out of yet, but let's assume it's uru.

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#42557: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:25:33 PM

It would have been nice to see if Ultron can lift Mjolnir. One way or another, it would put the question about Vision to bed.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42558: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:28:20 PM

So if I tape a pair of coat hangers to my hands, can I then use those to lift Mjolnir?

edited 6th Sep '15 6:28:37 PM by spashthebandragon

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42559: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:28:26 PM

Another question in the exact nature of Mjolnir's abilities: does Absorbing Man being capable of lifting his own limbs while absorbing it count? Likewise, if someone lifts him up while he's absorbed it (like, while attacking him), does that also count?

edited 6th Sep '15 6:30:03 PM by KnownUnknown

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42560: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:29:49 PM

But Absorbing Man's just made of uru when he absorbs the hammer. The "worthiness" rule only applies to Thor's hammer, not everything made out of the same substance as it.

Although in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, Thor can lift Absorbing Man when he copies the hammer, so... my head hurts.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:30:55 PM by spashthebandragon

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42561: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:31:24 PM

[up][up][up]As long as you dont try to drag it away like say......on a chain attached to a pickup truck.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:31:45 PM by nervmeister

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42562: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:32:10 PM

[up][up] That's what the question clarifies, yeah. Is the hammer itself significant in regards to its capabilities, or it it all Odin' impressing his own will upon it?

If it's the former, it's possibly something that can be replicated. If it's the latter, it's possible that only Odin could ever do such a thing.

Edit: I forgot Thor could actually control Absorbing Man's body mentally (albeit with some difficulty) when he absorbed Mjolnir. Curious...

edited 6th Sep '15 6:34:11 PM by KnownUnknown

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#42563: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:35:46 PM

It's always possible that the hammer just has some form of runimentary AI running in it... somewhere, via "Shut up, magic, quantum computing stuff" that runs a simple check. Basically: "If Thor=Yes, accept movement. If Thor=No, hold position relative to nearest affixed surface"

It doesn't know what to make of stuff like Vision, so it malfunctions and works like a regular hammer because it's not Thor, but it's not a surface.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42564: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:37:20 PM

[up] Actually, the current Thor comic (where Jane is Thor) implies that Mjolnir is actually alive and that's how it judges who is worthy and not.

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thebandragoness
#42565: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:37:52 PM

wild mass guessWhen Absorbing Man copies Thor's hammer, Odin's magic gets confused and starts working inconsistently.wild mass guess

So what would happen if you attached a chain to one of those self-driving cars and had it try to drag the hammer without any actual humans involved?

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42566: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:38:20 PM

[up][up][up]Cap made it budge.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:38:39 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42567: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:38:32 PM

[up][up] But humans would have to be involved, because they would tell the self-driving where to drive. Or else it would just sit there and not drive at all.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:38:39 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42568: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:38:35 PM

Spash: No because you're moving the coathangers.

Ultimate: That wouldn't work because of the truck scene. Mjolnir can clearly tell if it's being held up or moved by an animate object or a sentient being.

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#42569: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:38:56 PM

Yeah, but if we go strictly by the comics, Vision lifting Mjolnir is a non-issue; robots can lift Mjolnir in the comics and always have been able to. The enchantment considers them objects, not people.

The mechanics of the MCU Mjolnir are less clear.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:39:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42570: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:40:06 PM

That's true in the comics but it kind of ruins the scene in AOU if that's the case.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#42571: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:40:37 PM

[up][up][up],[up]X5: Both valid points.

The first I could say just says something about Cap's strength, but you know I maintain that it has an AI and now it seems the AI wasn't as stupid as I thought.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:41:05 PM by ultimatepheer

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#42572: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:45:42 PM

Spash: No because you're moving the coathangers.

So if, while Mjolnir is hanging off a coat hanger, an unworthy person were to grab the coat hanger and unscrew it from the wall, Mjolnir would snap off the hanger and go crashing to the floor?

edited 6th Sep '15 6:46:04 PM by spashthebandragon

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#42574: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:47:33 PM

Might take the coat hanger with it.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42575: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:47:48 PM

Most likely. The truck scene is pretty revealing in this regard. Mjolnir didn't care that it was the truck moving it and not the person. It was being acted on by a sentient entity so it refused to budge.


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