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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42526: Sep 6th 2015 at 12:30:12 PM

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You are tearing me apart, 616!

edited 6th Sep '15 12:31:03 PM by nervmeister

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42527: Sep 6th 2015 at 12:35:05 PM

Marvel isn't going to do anymore pantheons but dimensional beings like dormormoa. Just can't pick and choose your favorite gods. Marvel comics tried to make them All real in their mythical state

edited 6th Sep '15 12:48:52 PM by xbimpy

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#42528: Sep 6th 2015 at 12:36:35 PM

I'm always really confused by "All myths are real" because they can't be. Is Earth Gaia, or is Earth the mutilated corpse of the first frost giant?

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zam Since: Jun, 2009
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42530: Sep 6th 2015 at 12:41:38 PM

[up][up]Wrong on both counts. It's a sleeping celestial covered in dirt. (think Earth X) It may have been called Gaea or Ymir at different points in time though.

Not official by the way, just an interesting potential plotline/theory.

edited 6th Sep '15 1:21:52 PM by nervmeister

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42531: Sep 6th 2015 at 12:42:23 PM

[up][up][up]Which is why I prefer the "alien/higher being" explanation, because that boils down to "myths are based on something real but not every detail of them are truth" (to Loki's big relief).

edited 6th Sep '15 12:42:35 PM by Swanpride

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42532: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:00:41 PM

Demiurg, earths life force, mated with gaea so she could give birth to tons more mythical characters. earth 616 gaea was the mother godless of every pantheon much like demiurg but he had to die. It's freaking confusing and conlvated like ff13. Well all gods do and did exist trying to refelcet their legends

edited 6th Sep '15 1:08:35 PM by xbimpy

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#42533: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:01:45 PM

All myths are true and this works out splendidly for everyone provided you never have them all be true in the same place at the same time.

You don't want sun gods to be fighting over the sun

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42534: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:02:50 PM

Just realized that if Marvel wants to stick with the Magitek theme for Thor, introducing Hela (the Norse god of death and the underworld) will be tricky, unless they just say "f**k it" and go full-on supernatural, complete with a genuine afterlife and anguished souls. Selvig would have to pull quite the science lecture out of his ass to explain that one.

edited 6th Sep '15 1:04:53 PM by nervmeister

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42535: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:09:25 PM

Marvel comics has many underworlds or should I say types of afterlifes

edited 6th Sep '15 1:11:05 PM by xbimpy

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42536: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:16:33 PM

[up]But if Hela is to technically be an Asgardian (a hyper advanced humanoid alien), that means she can't really fit the mold of interdimensional being like Dormammu or Mephisto could for the MCU. Unless something happened in her life that mutated her into something more than just another Asgardian with Magitek weapons/devices.

edited 6th Sep '15 1:23:21 PM by nervmeister

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42537: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:19:23 PM

Just say that not everything about the myths are true. Adaptations change things all the time.

because that boils down to "myths are based on something real but not every detail of them are truth" (to Loki's big relief).

Why is that a problem?

edited 6th Sep '15 1:21:01 PM by windleopard

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42538: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:34:21 PM

It'd mean he gave birth to an 8-legged horse after being impregnated by a hideous monster, for one thing. tongue

Incidentally, Odin rids into Jotunheim on said horse in Thor 1. Whether it's Loki's child or not is never mentioned, however.

edited 6th Sep '15 1:35:05 PM by Anomalocaris20

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42539: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:44:20 PM

I'm always really confused by "All myths are real" because they can't be. Is Earth Gaia, or is Earth the mutilated corpse of the first frost giant?

Earth is Gaia, the mutilated corpse of the first frost giant.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42540: Sep 6th 2015 at 1:47:06 PM

It's also possible that the gods are wrong about some things. The TV show Supernatural makes a joke about that in one season. The Christian apocalypse is underway but Odin scoffs at the notion of the world ending because it doesn't sound like the description for Ragnarok.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42541: Sep 6th 2015 at 4:30:28 PM

just read a bit about the Makluans as a race, their abilities and their attempt to take over Earth by disguising themselves as us........Maybe the MCU doesn't need the Skrulls to do a Secret Invasion movie. Plus there's potential (I outlined in a previous post) to tie these space dragons in with Iron Fist and the Heavenly Cities (which in turn could be involved in the (real) Mandarin's origins). Maybe they could even stand in for the Skrulls as bitter enemies of the Kree.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:17:41 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42542: Sep 6th 2015 at 5:33:43 PM

All Myths Are True, but some myths are more true than others.

And it's entirely possible for Hela to be an Asgardian and a being like Dormammu, because she's weird even for Asgardians. She's got loads of power and may or may not be Loki's daughter (it's complicated).

edited 6th Sep '15 5:35:00 PM by alliterator

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#42543: Sep 6th 2015 at 5:41:40 PM

Eh, I've never understood the complaint that magic is devalued if it's scientifically provable. Most depictions of magic in fiction are scientifically provable.

616 Thor is scientifically provable. He's actually a god, much moreso than MCU Thor, but you can still prove his existence. He walks around, talks to people, does things. He summons lightning from the sky, and this ability can be scientifically analyzed because it's repeatable. He can summon lightning from the sky over and over. Mjolnir can only be lifted by those who are Worthy and this can be scientifically tested and proven.

Magic and science are not fundamentally opposed. Magic is a narrative element. Science is a procedure. They are as opposed to each other as Fire and Work Ethic.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42544: Sep 6th 2015 at 5:45:24 PM

Mjolnir can only be lifted by those who are Worthy and this can be scientifically tested and proven.

Yes, but how do you measure "worthiness"? Is there a measurement? Is it called "mini-thors"? Can you say, "Yes, you need at least 1,000 mini-thors in order to lift Mjolnir. Anything less and you might budge it, but you won't lift it."

"What about the coat rack?" you ask.

"Uh, shut up," I say.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#42545: Sep 6th 2015 at 5:48:15 PM

I've noticed that modern fiction does this a lot with superpowers and magic. The creators will provide some explanation of how the magic works but they'll neglect to tell you what makes it do that. Mjolnir is just one example. I don't see how it's any different from how Scarlet Witch or Vision's powers work. You know what they're doing but how they're able to do that isn't delved into.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42546: Sep 6th 2015 at 5:52:00 PM

That's because *jazz hands* it's maaagic!

Or Magik, if you want to go with the X-Men's poor literacy.

edited 6th Sep '15 5:52:57 PM by alliterator

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#42547: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:00:44 PM

Yes, but how do you measure "worthiness"? Is there a measurement? Is it called "mini-thors"? Can you say, "Yes, you need at least 1,000 mini-thors in order to lift Mjolnir. Anything less and you might budge it, but you won't lift it."

By examining qualities of those capable of lifting it. If only Thor can lift it, then worthiness is defined as "Thor" and, as Tony put it in Age of Ultron, it's more correctly translated as He Who Possesses Thor's Fingerprints. If two or more people are capable, then you have a control group to work with and can begin analyzing the difference between those who are Worthy and those who are not.

With time and a lot of experimenting, you can start building an idea of how the Hammer defines Worthiness based on attributes shared by the Worthy but not present in the unworthy.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:02:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42548: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:08:51 PM

Let's see....both Thor and Vision have capes? Does having a cape make one worthy? tongue

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#42549: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:09:49 PM

Superman wielded mjolnir once.

The evidence is piling up

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42550: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:11:54 PM

There was also that coat hanger.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:14:33 PM by KnownUnknown


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