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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#42451: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:38:16 AM

I have seen people actually called Kilgrave but I haven't seen anyone with "Cottonmouth" for a surname, so that's probably why if I had to guess. It's easier to buy Kilgrave as an actual surname.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42452: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:38:59 AM

The big issue standing in the way of the Masters, at least at the moment, is membership. Nobody but Hammer ever survived going up against Tony (not even Dragons and henchmen), Loki's the only villain still alive after Thor's adventures and he doesn't have any really reason to focus on Earth any more (not that his other villains would either, or would deign to be part of a human "team"), and Cross is either dead, super-tiny or (most likely) both.

So, provided both Zemo and Crossbones survive Civil War, that leaves us Abomination and Crossbones, with Zemo as the leader.

They'll need to take characters from AOS or the Netflix shows (Blizzard and especially Absorbing Man would be interesting), or invent/adapt a few new characters (I could see them introducing someone like Songbird in a Masters of Evil movie). I could see a legacy character or two showing up, too (like someone new using the Whiplash technology).

edited 5th Sep '15 10:40:48 AM by KnownUnknown

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#42453: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:39:24 AM

[up]x4: They did. It's Kilgrave in the show, not Killgrave.

edited 5th Sep '15 10:40:05 AM by stingerbrg

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42454: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:40:00 AM

Plus, if they go for a version of Serpent society (I really hope they do), than it would be way to convenient that someone just happened to get born with a fitting name.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#42455: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:41:40 AM

They did. It's Kilgrave in the show, not Killgrave.
oh good they removed one 'l' that sure changes a lot

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#42456: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:42:27 AM

It's a change. Didn't say it wasn't a tiny one.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#42457: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:42:55 AM

With Kilgrave there's the option of tweaking the pronunciation by using a soft "a" at the end so it doesn't actually sound like "Kill grave". Cottonmouth doesn't really have a viable alternate pronunciation.

edited 5th Sep '15 10:43:18 AM by Falrinn

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42459: Sep 5th 2015 at 11:20:07 AM

Kelgravay.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42462: Sep 5th 2015 at 11:44:06 AM

Keenan and Kel Granola.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42463: Sep 5th 2015 at 11:53:20 AM

If Kill-o-gravalava can one-up Crosstron in nasty acts, I'll be impressed. Even more if the fans squee over and try to excuse him anyways solely because of the fact that he's being played by David Tennant. "I'll never stop loving you, 10th! NEVER!"

edited 5th Sep '15 11:55:10 AM by nervmeister

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42464: Sep 5th 2015 at 11:59:01 AM

Kiloguanabana?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42465: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:39:31 PM

One thing I noticed about the Chris Evans interview: He basically said that beforehand he didn't have much fun in acting because every time he was on set he doubted that the movie would even be good. Which, considering the roles he played before Captain America, is very understandable. So apparently one of the reasons he is now so enthusiastic about staying in the MCU is because he is now playing in good movies. Doesn't that imply that at least Chris Evans believes that Civil War will be good, too? I don't think that he would look so happy if he were dissatisfied with the way things were going on set.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42467: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:54:34 PM

Yeah, the lack of recurring villains in the films is kind of a problem when assembling a villain team. Zemo, Crossbones, and Abomination (if he escapes). But then you could bring in AOS villains, which would be really interesting. They may not even need to explain where they came from, just say, "These guys were in SHIELD's case files. They are nasty pieces of work."

I mean, they could at least use Absorbing Man, after he turns back from being stone.

edited 5th Sep '15 2:54:56 PM by alliterator

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#42468: Sep 5th 2015 at 3:27:37 PM

Absorbing Man and Graviton are the only ones introduced so far that'd work though. The rest are neutralized, not Avenger level, or too personal for the Ao S cast to have them not be involved.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42469: Sep 5th 2015 at 3:32:08 PM

It could be less off the silliness and more of the coincidence/Meaningful Name. I'm not sure where they intend to go with the character but maybe they thought having him actually use the name or end up as a snake-themed villain while coincidentally having a name of a snake was too dumb.

Kilgrave is still out there but it's not like his power is killing graves.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42470: Sep 5th 2015 at 4:02:30 PM

Absorbing Man would work especially well, because his basic job description in AOS is "guy who will do super mercenary stuff for money and stuff to absorb, no questions asked" - which means he doesn't need much plot dedicated to him while still bringing the badass and awesome.

Plus, absorbing Mjolnir. Gotta happen.

The MCU needs a few more guys who are just supercriminals without plot connections, who can just appear fighting superheroes without needing lots of baggage attached to them - Amazing Spider-Man had the right idea with Rhino (imo, Rhino's appearances were some of the few things in that movie done right from start to finish).

edited 5th Sep '15 4:02:55 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42471: Sep 5th 2015 at 4:52:04 PM

The Dr. Strange guys have said they'd change Baron Mordo up a fair deal, maybe whatever they do will be Masters of Evil-friendly.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#42472: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:45:11 PM

I got the impression that they were making Mordo less evil.

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42473: Sep 5th 2015 at 7:12:05 PM

It's possible the Masters (of Evil) might be Anti Villains this time around.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42474: Sep 5th 2015 at 7:22:18 PM

If they do the Thunderbolts then yeah, probably.

And if they do do an Anti-Villain Thunderbolts bit, it'd like someone to fish up Blizzard for it.

edited 5th Sep '15 7:23:14 PM by KnownUnknown

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42475: Sep 5th 2015 at 7:29:01 PM

MCU's Baron Mordo is an adaption of various Dr. Strange rogues. can be anyone from Sliver Dagger to Kaluu. but someone like Baron stays mainly in Dr. Strange stories... yea hes not the type to join something like masters of evil. hes always ilsoasted away from everyone else. but Klaw is or should I say Klaue fits perfectly. hnmm i can only see the eldertich horrors strange faces that can crossover if things get real bad. not in a supervillain team but a superhero beat down. team INPUT + dr strange vs ancient blah blah blah

edited 5th Sep '15 7:36:21 PM by xbimpy


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