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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42426: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:37:35 AM

starlord is half Eternal i bet

edited 5th Sep '15 2:37:48 AM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42427: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:40:18 AM

scarlet only has 3 contract deal and each avenger so far counted as one. its messed up cuz jeremy has 4 contract deal. female gets the least lol so that Perlmutter guy must be sexist!

edited 5th Sep '15 2:41:21 AM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42428: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:45:43 AM

so i assume that is lash at the end of the AOS teaser. i hope he bridges the gap between larger inhuman societies around the world and humanity it self.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42429: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:48:29 AM

ok change that chris now has a 7 picture deal. and he has no problem staying for more if marvel needs him. in fact he wants to. so let captain america live? don't retire? or make him a background character where he is in charge of something like avenger academy?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42430: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:50:58 AM

If Scarlett only had a three or four picture deal, her contract would be fulfilled already. She turned up in Iron Man 2, Captain America 2 and both Avenger movies after all.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42431: Sep 5th 2015 at 5:11:08 AM

i read only avengers count. but the site can be wrong and instead shes like chris prat who has an unknown amount

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42432: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:49:42 AM

xbimpy, I know sometimes double-posts can't be helped, but you posted four posts within minutes of each other. You know you can go back and edit your posts, right? Just edit your last post to add more information.

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#42433: Sep 5th 2015 at 7:30:53 AM

Masters of Evil? Bring in Skeletor!

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42434: Sep 5th 2015 at 8:04:17 AM

i read only avengers count

That's...really unlikely. If that's the case it'd mean she's either not getting paid for the Captain America or Iron Man movies or had no obligation but did them out of the goodness of her heart.

And since she's currently one of the highest paid women in Hollywood I sincerely doubt either of those occurred.

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#42435: Sep 5th 2015 at 8:45:31 AM

The hardest thing about the Masters of Evil is that name.

Like, you could do a villainous team-up of surviving MCU villains, but if they don't resemble any actual permutation of the Masters of Evil, then the only thing that would identify them as the Masters of Evil is if they call themselves the Masters of Evil.

And I have a hard time seeing even the Red Skull unironically looking at his people and going, "Yes, we are the Masters of EVIL and we will DESTROY THE WORLD with our WICKED EVIL WAYS!" Even actual Hitler thought of himself as the good guy.

So if you can't use the lineup because it defeats the purpose of using returning villains and not a bunch of new guys and you can't use the name because it's stupid as hell, in what way is it possible to portray the Masters of Evil?

edited 5th Sep '15 8:46:06 AM by TobiasDrake

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#42436: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:10:15 AM

You could just have the Avengers jokingly name their opponents "the Masters of Evil." Sure, no one ever thinks of themself as evil, but they accuse other people of being evil all the time.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42437: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:15:37 AM

[up][up] Just have them call themselves The Masters, if they even use that name at all (like how the Brotherhood in the X-Men movies or in the modern comics isn't referred to as The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants).

I had the idea that they wouldn't use the name proper to refer to themselves at all, but when recruited (in a kind of anti-Nick Fury scene in each movie, which naturally didn't happen) there would be a play on the word "master" in their somewhere.

A very simple way to use it in the plot would be something like:

  • Avenger: "Who are all of you?"
  • Zemo or whoever's leading them: "We... are your masters!" (cue curbstomb)

edited 5th Sep '15 9:17:27 AM by KnownUnknown

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42438: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:18:16 AM

I'm pretty sure there are all kinds of names the writers could use in place of "Masters of Evil".

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#42439: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:20:48 AM

"You have reigned supreme too long, Avengers. Now we are your masters!"
Tony: "Only a master of evil, Darth!" -looks around- "Really, nobody else was champing to make that reference?"

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#42440: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:22:15 AM

  • CAP: That was a reference to Star Trek, right? I think I'm getting this.
  • THOR: What's a Star Trek?

edited 5th Sep '15 9:22:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42441: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:23:29 AM

[up]Steve: "Tony, please stop giving the villains names."

Red Skull: "Ooh, Masters of Evil. I like that!"

Steve: *sigh*

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#42442: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:26:08 AM

Generic sympathetic bad guy (Probably Loki): "But... I don't want to be evil."

edited 5th Sep '15 9:26:20 AM by ultimatepheer

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#42443: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:26:56 AM

And then Starlord echoes Steve's moment in The Avengers by pointing at Tony and syaing "I got that reference!"

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42444: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:20:53 AM

Of course they're not going to outright call themselves "Masters of Evil" any more than anyone will call Cap "the star-spangled Avenger". I can see instead a subtle play on the title used in a line.

Ultron: "Here we all are. No longer mere products of science experiments, but masters of the future to come. And if the unevolved masses consider that future "evil", then they can cling to the dying carcass of the old world for all we care."

...Or something like thar

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#42445: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:26:58 AM

Okay, but the Masters of Evil should NOT be in the same movie as Ultron. That's just making things WAY too convoluted.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42446: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:31:35 AM

[up]

B-b-but, Ultron created the first Masters of Evil in the comics. -frown-

edited 5th Sep '15 10:32:55 AM by nervmeister

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#42447: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:33:09 AM

Marvel has in the past tweaked character names in order to make them more sensible on screen. Less then a week ago they revealed that Cornell Cottonmouth will be brought into the MCU as Cornell "Cottonmouth" Stokes.

The Masters of Evil will almost certainly never call themselves that, at least not directly. But I could see them being referred to that by the Avengers or even just the media.

[nja][up][up] I think if we took out Ultron's Iron Legion and kept the Masters of Evil mostly to characters who either already exist in the MCU or have a backstory tied in with things that already exist in the MCU (such as Baron Zemo). The movie would be workable, it would have almost no resemblance to what we got, but it would be workable.

edited 5th Sep '15 10:37:00 AM by Falrinn

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#42448: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:33:54 AM

The first Masters of Evil was created by the first Zemo

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#42449: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:36:29 AM

Wait so they changed Cottenmouth's last name but not Killgrave's? That's some weird priorities right there.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42450: Sep 5th 2015 at 10:36:39 AM

[up][up]Just checked. He sure did. My bad.

edited 5th Sep '15 10:37:02 AM by nervmeister


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