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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#42351: Sep 3rd 2015 at 4:00:28 PM

The film is going to make at least a billion, budget shouldn't really be much of an issue.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42352: Sep 3rd 2015 at 4:36:51 PM

is the music from the Lincoln video part of season's 3 OST? if so god damn O_O

edited 3rd Sep '15 4:37:16 PM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42353: Sep 3rd 2015 at 4:52:01 PM

holy carp punisher's armory is insane. guns guns guns guns guns guns guns and more guns. he would make the NRA proud

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42355: Sep 3rd 2015 at 5:59:42 PM

well i didnt know he would have this much. http://screenrant.com/daredevil-season-2-bernthal-punisher-armory/ im trying to compare it to http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=168131 and wow its a lot more than i imagined if i never saw the live action picture. This is the type and amount of weaponry I see in Person of Interest man. wooooot already looking better than the Punisher films

edited 3rd Sep '15 6:12:49 PM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42356: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:19:33 PM

Stephen Rider will be playing Blake Tower in Season 2 of Daredevil.

It sounds like Season 2 will have a greater focus on Matt's legal career.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42357: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:31:28 PM

i thought this was interesting.

"The issue faced by the heroes is whether the heroes should be registered and controlled by the government. The reason for the registration is that super powered individuals can cause huge amounts of destruction and death. Registration would allow the government to track, control and if necessary contain/ imprison powered individuals who represent a risk. This side believes that registration can save countless lives and potentially even the world from powered individuals.

This group is led by Iron Man.

In contrast to the side of Order, the side of Freedom believes it is wrong to prejudge any person and limit their freedom before they have committed a crime. To the side of Freedom this is overstepping the bounds of the social contract a country has with its people. The registration act creates a negative precedent that could be used to condemn anyone without due process of law.

This group is led by Captain America.

What I do find interesting is that typically people have a knee jerk reaction to side with Captain America but many people I find are in real life are more on Tony's side. The idea of having Government step in to solve problems by just bending individual rights here or there is very tempting and shows up again and again all over the place.

Which sides will each hero be on? There have been some early reports that have placed a bunch heroes on one side or the other. The below is how the heroes will supposedly initially start out. However, do not be surprised if some switch sides. In particular, I could see Spider-Man switching sides especially after the extra scene in Ant-Man."

edited 3rd Sep '15 7:23:41 PM by xbimpy

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42358: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:32:35 PM

[up][up] good as long as it allows him to step outside the office... seeing more his "normal" life all for the better

edited 3rd Sep '15 6:33:49 PM by xbimpy

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42359: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:33:17 PM

Blake Tower was the DA for New York City in the comics. He also eventually hired She-Hulk in The Sensational She-Hulk. You know what this means, right? Matt Murdock vs. Jennifer Walters in court!

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42360: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:35:34 PM

[up][up][up]Uh did you mean to link to something?

edited 3rd Sep '15 6:35:41 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42361: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:51:51 PM

@Cap being underpowered in Civil War.

Against Iron Man and War Machine, at least, I could see Scott being an ace in the whole. Not so much against Vision, who doesn't have so many obviously open parts in his design.

In any case, I'm not getting the feeling that this Civil War will really be an all out war and fight between the two sides, as in the comics. There will be a big battle scene, certainly, but it seems more like Cap is trying to get something done, needs a team to get it done, and Tony has to hunt him down because what Cap needs to do is against whatever "the accords" entail. So Tony's side having the power advantage makes a lot of sense.

It's basically like the A-Team. If going up against everyone hunting them the team would be shot down in seconds, so they have to find ways to avoid that sort of thing or think their way out of those situations. It's not about being able to overpower their enemies, it's about making sure they can't stop them from doing what's right.

edited 3rd Sep '15 6:56:09 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42362: Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:57:16 PM

It is very likely that I would fall more on Caps side when it comes to the registration issue...it's a cultural matter. Registration can so easily misused. Plus, the notion that registration protects people is kind of ridiculous. If a superhero starts to misuse his power, it doesn't matter if he is registered somewhere, and to take him down, you would most likely need another superhero either way.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42363: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:01:06 PM

so this is kinda redundant to what i just found and posted > http://toylab.blogspot.com/ but w/e. yea not surprising there is no SHRA or fight over secret identities... he has to clarify its not like the comics -___- http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/09/03/captain-america-civil-war-isnt-about-secret-identities

edited 3rd Sep '15 7:13:31 PM by xbimpy

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42364: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:01:52 PM

Don't we already know from Word of God that the concept of the act and what IM is enforcing won't necessarily be the same as it was in the comics?

It sounds like Season 2 will have a greater focus on Matt's legal career.

That's... interesting. Season 1 Matt typically felt like he didn't give a rats ass about being a lawyer and only used it to scope out new people to help. And the court scenes often made me wince.

I hope they plan to improve it next season.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42365: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:12:39 PM

That is great! It was one of the things which bothered me in season one...I really wanted to see him being a lawyer and in the first episodes it looked that way, but then suddenly everything lawyer-related just stopped.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42366: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:14:59 PM

it is the SHR trope. played straight idk. is it called SHRA? nope word of god never said that but i believe its acardoro or w/e like devin and steve rogers said. i havent heard the words SHRA in any interview either. if tony is the first one to jump on it i guess it makes sense because he repeatedly demonstrated his inability to actually improve the world through his technology. it inevitably falls into the hands of people who will use it for malevolent purposes or he just ends up creating another Ultron. At this point in time he WANTS checks and balances.

Que

Goverment: Joiiiiiiiiiiiin me mr Stark.

Iron Man: Okay I give in. I tried it my way and it sucked dude

yep

so CA:CW uses CW's concept, hold S Hs accountable, but without becoming anything like it? yet can get across a similar point.

edited 3rd Sep '15 7:22:55 PM by xbimpy

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42367: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:24:19 PM

[up] Uh, right. Nothing you just said makes any sense.

We already know it's not the SHRA. In Ant-Man post-credits scene, it's called "the Accords."

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42368: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:25:01 PM

I don't think we'll see Murdock vs. Walters, seeing as they're both defense attorneys. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42369: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:28:00 PM

Walters worked for the DA for a while (she actually worked for DA Towers during Sensational She-Hulk).

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#42370: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:28:31 PM

wild mass guessIn a unprecedented move for the american judicial system, season 2 will have a case with two defendants and two defense attorneys battling each other to prove their respective client's innocence and one another's clients guilt.wild mass guess

edited 3rd Sep '15 7:28:44 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42371: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:34:47 PM

Can't people sue each other?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42372: Sep 3rd 2015 at 7:37:21 PM

Yeah it's been known since like the day Civil War was even announced that it's not going to be about secret identities and would be a very loose adaptation of the comics. What he's saying isn't anything new. Not that most people are willing to listen.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#42373: Sep 3rd 2015 at 8:26:12 PM

Yeah, the very fact that it's gonna be a loose adaptation is what got me so hype for it to begin with, since I really did not like the original comic story.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42374: Sep 3rd 2015 at 8:37:19 PM

[up]Same here. I actually think MST3K sums up the original comic best: 'We hope you enjoyed... no moral theater.'

edited 4th Sep '15 6:59:36 AM by kkhohoho

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42375: Sep 3rd 2015 at 8:48:09 PM

[up][up]

Exactly. So it really grinds my gears when I see people getting upset because the movie isn't enough like the comics, when I have to point out to them that it was never intended to be, that they're getting hyped over unrealistic expectations, and even if it was truer to the comics that would result in a worse movie.


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