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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42302: Sep 3rd 2015 at 9:35:27 AM

It's good news, though. Good to know that they don't loose track of what is truly important. Hulk shouldn't be part of the conflict, so it is better to sideline him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42303: Sep 3rd 2015 at 9:38:45 AM

The rumor now is that the split with Perlmutter came from Disney being really unhappy that Age of Ultron grossed less than the first movie, and the elements that didn't like Ike were able to use it as leverage to give him the boot.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#42304: Sep 3rd 2015 at 9:39:56 AM

[up][up]Plus every single MCU character was probably in one draft or another. So cutting a few out was inevitable, and the Hulk was a very easy character to cut out given him MIA status at the end of Age of Ultron.

edited 3rd Sep '15 9:40:18 AM by Falrinn

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#42306: Sep 3rd 2015 at 10:55:52 AM

No he doesn't. Literally all he says is "Watch the movie and find out."

Come on, now

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42308: Sep 3rd 2015 at 11:17:46 AM

Eh, still not much but it's better than nothing.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42309: Sep 3rd 2015 at 11:27:50 AM

Wow...Captain America really trusts his two best friends? I would have NEVER guessed that....

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#42310: Sep 3rd 2015 at 11:40:30 AM

You never know. Spidey trusts people like Mephisto and the Jackal.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42311: Sep 3rd 2015 at 11:46:49 AM

Oh, I just thought it was funny because it reminded me of a certain line in Metal Gear Solid.

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#42313: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:00:24 PM

[lol] I was just thinking as I clicked on the "Where is Hulk?" link how funny it would be if, after evading the question for so long, Ruffalo turned around and was like, "Alright, we're finally close enough to movie time that I can FINALLY tell you whether my character will be in it and what role he'll have! The long-awaited answer: nope."

Regarding the power levels: they really are unbalanced, but that's a good thing. This is Cap's movie and, narratively, the hero is supposed to be the underdog. If this was Iron Man 4, then it would be problematic because the answer to "How could Iron Man possibly hope to prevail against Cap?" would be answered with, "By flying in and blasting the shit out of him until he goes down, because of course that is how that ends."

But since it's Captain America 3, there's more suspense. I've talked about this before, but it's more engaging to watch a knight slay a dragon than a dragon slay a knight. When the dragon wins, he wins because of course he wins. He's a f*cking dragon. The odds are so heavily stacked in his favor, it's ridiculous to think the knight could ever stand a chance. There's no tension, no excitement in a Foregone Conclusion.

But when the knight defeats the dragon, that's exciting. How did he do it? What circumstances transpired to make this impossible victory come about? There are so many questions, and the story is about the journey that ultimately brought down the unbeatable titan.

Iron Man's got all the powerhouses and that's okay. It means Cap can't just walk into Stark tower, hand Tony his ass in five seconds, and call it a day. It means he'll be challenged. It means he can have a journey.

edited 3rd Sep '15 12:01:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42314: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:01:37 PM

Plus it's not like Iron Man, Vision, and War Machine don't fall victim to The Worf Effect every other day.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42315: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:02:37 PM

He could just trick him into a drinking contest.

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#42316: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:04:05 PM

Poor dragons

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#42317: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:04:24 PM

Honestly, I think Tony could drink Cap under the table, even with Cap's superhuman constitution.

I still wish they hadn't cut the deleted version of Tony's showdown with Loki, in which Loki more subtly tries to take over Tony's mind and Tony leads him on into thinking he's succeeding before overstepping and revealing himself. The reason Tony was able to resist: because Tony Stark is no stranger to mind-altering substances and requires harder shit than Loki to lose himself.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42318: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:06:00 PM

Ooh, that might be a little too mean-spirited. Maybe, I don't know if MCU Tony still has that problem.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#42319: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:06:08 PM

[up]Okay that would be just ludicrous. Seriously, human alcohol is stronger than Loki's mind control?

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#42320: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:06:28 PM

Not necessarily just alcohol.

edited 3rd Sep '15 12:06:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42321: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:10:38 PM

I dunno, I think Tony would relapse into his alcoholism before Cap even got tipsy. From what we hear about it in his movie, his body neutralizes the alcohol before it even has a chance to affect him at all, so I don't think quantity matters.

But on the other hand, Tony being able to out-drink someone who literally cannot get drunk sounds humorous.

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#42322: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:18:17 PM

In the MCU, Tony's never overcome his alcoholism, so there's nothing to relapse into.

It's his alcohol tolerance that's in question, not his alcoholism. The latter merely enhances the former because the copious amounts of alcohol he consumes has raised it. Like training your body to handle strenuous conditions, in which those conditions are specifically the deadly poison you're pouring down your gullet in massive quantities on a regular basis.

As your body becomes more and more resistant to the poison, you require greater quantities of it to reach that point where your brain is so heavily damaged that parts of it shut down, creating that euphoric high sensation.

edited 3rd Sep '15 12:21:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42323: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:21:15 PM

So Tony, Steve, and Thor basically can't get drunk. They must have fun egging Clint, Nat, and Bruce on.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42325: Sep 3rd 2015 at 12:35:13 PM

"PUNISH."

That's making me giggle like a little kid and I can't stop, help.

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