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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42226: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:42:08 PM

But he makes good quesadillas.

So good you'll sell your marriage to the devil for them.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42227: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:48:37 PM

MCU really needs to do a subliminal Take That! against Quesada's bullshit.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#42228: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:51:27 PM

Anyone remember Avengers?

Does Tony mention anything about powering his tower with the arc reactor being a proof of concept for selling the arc reactor as green energy?

I had thought so but my memory is bad.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42229: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:53:03 PM

[up][up]To be fair, Quesada tends to get the blame a lot for the bad things during his run as EIC, but not for the good things. He pretty much revitalized Marvel by hiring more indie writers and artists — he got Brian Michael Bendis to make both Daredevil and the Avengers into best-selling books, got Grant Morrison to make the New X-Men, and so on.

The only thing people tend to remember, however, is "One More Day."

edited 2nd Sep '15 1:53:13 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42230: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:57:04 PM

[up][up][up] Making everyone from Nextwave show up in some shape or form would do the trick.

edited 2nd Sep '15 1:59:46 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42231: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:58:33 PM

[up] I would kill for a Nextwave movie. With Hasselhoff as Dirk Anger.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42232: Sep 2nd 2015 at 1:59:27 PM

[up][up][up]So shitty stories; great hiring practices. Got it.

edited 2nd Sep '15 1:59:53 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42233: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:04:23 PM

[up] Well, yeah, Quesada is an artist, not a writer.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42234: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:05:37 PM

Without the Creative Committee there to rein things into the comics canon, I hope this doesn't lead to an uptake of Man of Steel-esque reimaginings of classic characters down the line.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#42235: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:13:11 PM

@Bocaj, it happened exactly like that, I saw the movie enough times for it to stick out

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42236: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:17:42 PM

On the subject of reimaginings, I was thinking about a few for yet-to-be-introduced characters in the MCU.

For instance, if Mad Jim Jaspers (played by Steve Buscemi or someone) was an avatar of the Reality Gem, would that sit well with most fans? I mean, the Mind Gem was hinted to have a will of its own, so that would provide foreshadowing.

edited 2nd Sep '15 2:20:17 PM by nervmeister

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#42237: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:22:02 PM

[up][up] So that tumblr post that we both know about was even more full of bullshit?

Grand.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#42238: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:27:29 PM

@Bocaj, well obviously. Stark may not be as overt about it as previous interpretations of Bruce Wayne due this egotism and other glaring character flaws, but he does do good stuff with his tech for humanity.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42239: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:29:26 PM

[up]Bullet trains powered by repulsor tech would be a good start. No more flying death fortresses please.

On that note Death Battle did mention Tony in one storyline wanted to see what was in the Earth's core, so he launched a nuke down towards it....

edited 2nd Sep '15 2:34:34 PM by nervmeister

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42240: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:33:02 PM

What post are you talking about? I've seen several Ron the Death Eater ones accusing of Tony being a charismatic propaganda vehicle for neoconservatism and white imperialism, although I thought the message of the movies was to be against that sort of thing, if half-heartedly.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42241: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:34:08 PM

The Reality Gem was already introduced as the Aether, so I don't think they're going to bring it back as Jaspers.

I don't think we'll be seeing Jaspers at all, actually. Aside from being mainly a Captain Britain villain, who doesn't have any plans at the moment, he's rather absurdly powerful. The only thing to ever really stand a chance against him was a reality-warping android he himself had created, and only by eventually dragging him outside of reality where he was powerless.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42242: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:39:56 PM

[up]Fair point. I hope the remaining gems will do more than just destroy shit. Anyways how about MCU Adam Warlock? Maybe he can be an attempt by the High Evolutionary to recreate an Eternal (a long gone precursor race in the MCU).

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#42243: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:43:09 PM

I just hope Thanos get all of the gems.

Call me an asshole, but I want to see him snap his fingers and give half of the universe more room.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42244: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:44:59 PM

There's been more and more Tony hate online lately, especially on tumblr. Which I kind of get, since Civil War is happening, but half of those posts seem to be demonizing him for no good reason.

edited 2nd Sep '15 2:45:37 PM by higherbrainpattern

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#42245: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:47:39 PM

[up]He got drunk again and pissed in their Cheerios.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42246: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:48:53 PM

I find it kinda funny how besides their eponymous properties, all four gems introduced so far also can fire generic energy blasts.

HYDRA harnessed the Space Gem to create glowy blue ray guns, Malekith uses the Reality Gem at one point to fire out a barrage of reddish beams, Ronan fire rays from and is later lasered to death by the Power Gem, and Vision can fire yellow beams from his forehead (And back in Avengers 1, Loki shoots energy blasts from the scepter).

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#42247: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:49:05 PM

@Alley Oop, it's no big deal, someone was writing a list of things Bruce Wayne has done versus what Tony Stark has done, framing the latter as an uncharitable self-serving Dick that doesn't use his money and tech for the greater good while apparently Bruce Wayne always does.

However their example choices made it clear that they were using all Pre-Nolan Batman media for examples for Bruce while only using the MCU for Tony.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#42248: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:49:39 PM

There's a post comparing Bruce Wayne to Tony Stark.

Or rather, Movie only Stark to Whichever Bruce Supports The Point The Poster Was Trying To Make. Wayne.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42249: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:53:05 PM

Without the Creative Committee there to rein things into the comics canon, I hope this doesn't lead to an uptake of Man of Steel-esque reimaginings of classic characters down the line.

I don't think so. The problem with Man of Steel was not that they veered away from the comics canon, but that they tried way too hard to make superman appeal to modern kids by making him needlessly angsty and gritty. And that said grit and angst was not well executed. The shit people complained about not being in the comics like Perry being black or the costume not having Underwear of Power were small peanuts compared to what was actually wrong with the movie.

IMO the major thing that stuck out in the report was the insistence of the committee on "save the cat" elements, which seemed particularly striking to me in Ant-Man.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42250: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:56:45 PM

[up][up],[up][up][up]

Yipes that is cringeworthy. Hate Dumb even.


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