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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The difference between the drones and the Chitauri, though, is that they should be much stronger cannon fodder. Seriously, it's an army of robots. Robots are made of metal. They're more durable and they don't die as easily as organic life.
Instead, Hawkeye's arrows pierce them like flesh and Quicksilver can punch them to death with no ill effects to his fleshy bits.
edited 2nd Sep '15 9:35:24 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.We've had Flip-Flop of God before but Feige has said yes, they intend for it to be real.
He died from bullets, not from punching. When we see him zipping around, we get shots of Quicksilver shoving his fist through the solid steel of the drones. At his velocities, that should be entirely possible, but the equal and opposite reaction should also have devastating effects on his ability to continue fighting.
I know, I know, physics in a superhero work, but this is grade school physics. You punch a robot, you break your hand.
An army of nearly indestructible robots that can only be defeated if every single drone is destroyed, led by a literally indestructible central unit should not be the underdog in this fight.
edited 2nd Sep '15 9:49:44 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.When we see him zipping around, we get shots of Quicksilver shoving his fist through the solid steel of the drones.
I don't remember seeing him actually punching the robots though. I remember seeing him go fast (GOTTA GO FAST sorry) and then the robot parts go flying through the air.
An army of nearly indestructible robots that can only be defeated if every single drone is destroyed
But only the central Vibranium Ultron was nearly indestrucible. All the other Ultrons were made from ordinary metal, therefore completely destructible.
edited 2nd Sep '15 9:51:46 AM by alliterator
Completely destructible by the standards of the Hulk, Thor, or Iron Man, but ordinary metal is still really strong for people like Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Quicksilver to be effortlessly ripping apart.
edited 2nd Sep '15 9:54:01 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I didn't pay too much attention; I do remember Quicksilver having hyper metabolic rate that gives him instant cardiac failure superseded,but did he have anything that boosts his strength or gives him ddurability?
If he didn't, huh, Tobias is right, Quicksilver should have been taken out of fight purity darn soon.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.Vison's Ass Pull was by far the most irritating thing about this film. Loki gets to survive a terminal shanking from Kurse (he'll probably survive decapitation next), but Ultron with his digitally distributed consciousness gets "firewalled" by Vision and thus Killed Off for Real
Completely destructible by the standards of the Hulk, Thor, or Iron Man, but ordinary metal is still really strong for people like Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Quicksilver to be effortlessly ripping apart.
We don't see them actually punching the robots, though. We see Hawkeye shooting them with arrows (presumbly really durable arrows) and Black Widow electrocuting them (which would fry their circuits). And again, I don't remember seeing Quicksiclver actually punching any of the robots — he just runs and then we see a spray of robot parts.
The thing is, during the battle of New York the Avengers looked positively exhausted, especially Natasha and Steve. It was clear that they wouldn't be able to hold the parameter unless they manage to close the wormhole.
In the final battle against Ultron the stakes seem to be lower because there isn't actually much of a doubt that the Avengers will win as long as they stand together...the only question is if they manage to evacuate the people on the rock before they make it explode. Even the biggest blow to them is not something which happens at the height of the battle, it happens when one of Ultron's bodies is flying away in an attempt to save his mind.
It's odder in retrospect because Tony's Ultron Program was supposed to make "the Avengers obsolete". Basically the equivalent of a million Iron Men flying around the world as smart as he is. But instead they're no match for any of them.
Speaking of which, if Vision is a Benevolent A.I., would HE be able to take control of the drones and cause the Ultron Protocol to actually work fine and defend the world?
Well I guess it depends. You're correct in saying the premise behind the Iron Legion program falls apart when you see that a whole army of them got wiped out by 10 people, but of those 10, one was a literal god, two of them were in billion dollar suits of robotic battle armor that nobody else on the planet possesses, one was an android made of indestructible metal and powered by one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe, and four of them straight up had superhuman abilities.
They were no match for the Avengers but could still be very useful in dealing with threats like criminals and terrorists, or even just rescue work and disaster relief.
edited 2nd Sep '15 10:23:39 AM by comicwriter
In the final battle against Ultron the stakes seem to be lower because there isn't actually much of a doubt that the Avengers will win as long as they stand together...the only question is if they manage to evacuate the people on the rock before they make it explode. Even the biggest blow to them is not something which happens at the height of the battle, it happens when one of Ultron's bodies is flying away in an attempt to save his mind.
This is exactly where the complaints about the lack of stakes in the climax come from. It's hard to feel like Ultron's inevitable defeat was never in question; instead, the challenge was whether the Avengers can overpower Ultron hard enough. Victory was certain; all that was left to determine was the extent of the casualties.
Regarding the Ultron Program
For all the talk about how Tony was supposed to learn a lesson in hubris, Tony ultimately wins the argument about whether creating Ultron is a good thing. The negative effects of building Ultron are undermined by Tony and Bruce's insistence that what awakened was not what they were building. Tony then proceeds to take a mulligan on it with Vision, which works out great and is wonderful. Thor outright says the words, "Stark is right," and Cap gives him a "Well done," after Vision reveals himself.
edited 2nd Sep '15 10:29:51 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In the comics, Quicksilver does explitictly have a thing where he can boost his hitting power by going fast.
Since this never shatter his hand, it apparently protects him too somehow.
Comics, shrug.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don't think Pietro's going to get a TV show out of it.
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If he does, you will not have seen that coming.

I was actually expecting a scene where Ultron taking control of Iron Man suit while Tony was inside it. It turns out that it was beyond his capability. Or was it? Eh, doesn't matter now.
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