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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Maybe it's because he relied on an army of fragile mooks like Loki, that the menace felt spread thin. Not helped by the fact that even Cap's one-on-one fight with Ultron Prime didn't feel all that desperate. I was more afraid for Steve when he fought Bucky.
edited 1st Sep '15 4:53:22 PM by nervmeister
I felt like maybe they overplayed the snarky stuff a bit, but I'm overall okay with how Ultron was represented.
@Guy01: Well, that would be needlessly bitter. And would make them look stupid. Tony's expecting a galactic level threat eventually, no way he wouldn't take this seriously - any bravado he shows would be a facade.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:04:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!
I was okay with it too......until I saw Ant Man. Ever since then, I felt like Darren Cross was the Ultron we should've gotten performance-wise.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:16:59 PM by nervmeister
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Cross is a decent villain, but he only achieves Ultron-like menace while in the suit - and I'm not sure if I could take that for more than a few minutes.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:08:30 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!![]()
The baby lamb slaughter and bathroom disposal totally could've worked with Ultron. Though for the latter, it would've involved less shrinking and more "fitting a square peg into a round hole"......sucessfully.
Gah! Im such a dummy. My bad.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:17:41 PM by nervmeister
People need to consider that in the comics Ultron was a piss baby who kept trying to build wives and kept trying to kill Hank Pym due to oedipal issues.
Also, a version of Ultron matured past hating Pym, renamed himself Mark and started hugging Hank.
Ultron is a fundamentally ridiculous and emotional creature.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI liked this version of Ultron.
I don't care much for the cold, unfeeling AI villain type. It's more interesting to have an AI villain whose villainy stems from humanlike failings rather than "Beep boop I have calculated that I must exterminate humanity as per directive 7340".
Like with Ultron, he makes claims about being better and more logical than humanity, but the fact that he feels the need to make those claims in the first place combined with his irrational temper shows that he's a very insecure and emotional being. He lashes out in pain, anger, fear, or just plain confusion, then after the fact tries to convince others- and himself -that it was the rational, calculated course of action all along. Pretty much the only time he ever concedes that he acted before thinking was after he lopped Klaue's hand off, and even then he tries to play it down as a light, comical goof rather than the sign of an unstable and dangerous psyche it is.
And then JARVIS-turned-Vision puts the overplayed "logical = evil" trope on its head by being a more calculating, traditional AI yet being a good guy. Vision undoubtedly has some degree of emotion, but instead of having his head up his own ass about it like Ultron, Vision is capable of putting it to the side and thinking rationally once he's settled on a premise (Stopping Ultron and preserving life). No robo-angsting or violent freakouts.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:56:23 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Whats funny is that in their final conversation even though Vision was born yesterday, Ultron comes off sounding like a sullen teen
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSeriously, Whedon has a Freud complex.
Uh, what? You realize all the people above were just joking, right? I mean, you can see pretty much any symbolism you want in anything, especially phallic symbolism. Also, there's no such thing as a "Freud complex" - there's the Oedipus complex
, which Freud coined and which Ultron has (he pretty much had it in the comics since the beginning and even named his "wife" Jocasta
).
edited 1st Sep '15 7:14:54 PM by alliterator

After seeing so many cold A.I.s I didn't understand Ultron's behavior at all until I realized "wait... this is supposed to be an human-like AI!"