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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
My thoughts exactly. We can't really say just yet whether Feige is better or worse than we thought.
Hrm. When was this?
From the article
: "Feige reportedly vented his unhappiness to Horn and Disney CEO Bob Iger, leading to the reorganization, which took effect last week."
We can't really say just yet whether Feige is better or worse than we thought.
Yeah, that was kind of my point: Perlmutter wasn't the sole reason there were no female-led MCU films (he couldn't have been). So we don't know what yet is going to happen.
Jessica Jones and Agent Carter are both under the control of Marvel Television, whose head is Jeph Loeb not Kevin Feige.
(Also, Marvel Television is still under the direct purview of Perlmutter, yet both Agent Carter and Jessica Jones were able to get made. Whether that's because it's television and therefore less risky than the movies or because Loeb went to bat for them, we don't know.)
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Eventhough Feige was under Perlmutter before he still had a lot of freedom to do what he wanted so I don't think anything will change much from this new structuring.
I think Disney made the deal with Netflix, not Marvel. Plus, Daredevil is actually a pretty cheap show due to being set mostly in-doors, and I doubt that Jessica Jones will be much more expensive.
Agent Carter is pretty much a special project, created by the Captain America team. I guess they pushed for it, and due to the popularity of Peggy it went through.
And in Agent of Shield, they needed ages to get the permission to use quake. It is also a very sneaky show in the way it slowly went from a mostly white and seemingly male-dominated cast to adding more and more diversity while putting the female characters in the centre of it.
They're also far less of a potential resource sink. A tv show gets cancelled, that's not a big deal. Disney still has a plethora of shows on the various channels they own like ABC, ESPN, and the various Disney Channel spin-offs.
A movie tanks? That's a much bigger financial loss since on average the MCU movies tend to be extremely expensive.
Given that he had control over the whole of Marvel Entertainment including Marvel Studios, he absolutely could have been. The fact is that if Perlmutter said no, Feige can't do shit. Perlmutter was Feige's direct superior; his word was law at Marvel Studios unless outranked by someone even higher.
But, as I said, we don't know yet if he was or not. Don't discount the possibility, though.
edited 1st Sep '15 10:17:53 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think Disney made the deal with Netflix, not Marvel.
All Marvel shows (live action and animation) fall under "Marvel Televsion," so yes, Jeph Loeb is ultimately in charge of the Netflix shows. And Netflix did make a deal with Marvel itself, I believe.
Plus, Daredevil is actually a pretty cheap show due to being set mostly in-doors, and I doubt that Jessica Jones will be much more expensive.
I wasn't talking about expense, I was talking about the fact that Jessica Jones and Agent Carter are female-led.
Agent Carter is pretty much a special project, created by the Captain America team. I guess they pushed for it, and due to the popularity of Peggy it went through.
It still had to be approved.
And in Agent of Shield, they needed ages to get the permission to use quake.
Huh? Where did that come from? No, they didn't need "ages" to get permission to use Quake. They knew all along she was Quake, but they set it up as an origin story.
Given that he had control over the whole of Marvel Entertainment including Marvel Studios, he absolutely could have been.
He doesn't have total control since Disney took over. I mean, that's how Disney was able to restructure everything in the first place. Perlmutter can certainly veto things, but again, if Feige really wanted a Black Widow movie, he could have gone directly to the Disney CEO.
Also, we don't even have any idea of Perlmutter veto'd a female-led movie in the first place. We have no idea if they had any plans for a female-led movie. And if there were no plans — then it's not even Perlmutter's fault there's no female-led movies, it's the fault of the people who simply didn't want to make them.
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The show runners of Agent of Shield once mentioned in an interview that they themselves wanted to turn Skye into Quake all along, and therefore laid part of the groundwork early on (but nothing which couldn't be changed to another story if necessary), but they didn't get the permission to actually use this specific character until the first season was done. I guess if they hadn't gotten the permission after all, they would have been forced to change the story they had in mind.
And skipping the commando chain isn't exactly a good policy, neither is constantly overruling the guy in charge. Apparently though Feige did discuss his problems with Disney, hence the new structure.
edited 1st Sep '15 11:10:21 AM by Swanpride
Cutting your boss out of the loop and going to his boss to try and overrule your boss's instructions is not that easy and can easily be career suicide. It's a super-dangerous thing to do in most work environments.
edited 1st Sep '15 11:09:57 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think Agent Carter actually falls under Marvel Studios and not Marvel TV, despite being a TV show.
Nope, it's Marvel Television. All Marvel television shows, no matter what, fall under Marvel Television. Louis D'Esposito may have wanted to make it and did direct an episode, but he's not in charge of it.
The show runners of Agent of Shield once mentioned in an interview that they themselves wanted to turn Skye into Quake all along, and therefore laid part of the groundwork early on (but nothing which couldn't be changed to another story if necessary), but they didn't get the permission to actually use this specific character until the first season was done
They didn't get permission because it was denied or because they didn't ask? Because I always assumed the latter.
Cutting your boss out of the loop and going to his boss to try and overrule your boss's instructions is not that easy and can easily be career suicide.
But that's exactly what Feige did to get out of Perlmutter's control right now.
edited 1st Sep '15 11:13:06 AM by alliterator
Not quite. There's a difference between "The organizational structure is handcuffing my ability to make this venture profitable and causing me undue stress. I would like to have more creative control over this branch of our business venture," versus "Ike said I can't do this but screw him. Can you tell Ike to let me do it?"
Feige made a bid for greater creative control as a whole, not to simply undermine something Perlmutter ordered. It's a power play, and those are always fine in business.
edited 1st Sep '15 11:16:53 AM by TobiasDrake
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I know. And then there's the solo Wonder Woman film. The final leap after this will be a female-led superhero team (as in one that's not entirely the same sex).
edited 1st Sep '15 11:16:32 AM by nervmeister
Personally, while female leads would be nice, I would like to see more female villains. Especially ones that are a) Compitent (unlike Nebula) and b) don't pull a Heel–Face Turn (unlike Scarlet Witch).
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Hopefully, Thor Ragnarok will grant us that. At least two of his more well known rogues are female.
edited 1st Sep '15 1:18:02 PM by nervmeister

It's impossible to say how this will impact the studio. Kevin Feige has always paid lip service to the idea of female-driven superhero films, but then proceeded to blow them off with, "We'd like to get to them some day. We just can't right now."
Ike Perlmutter, on the other hand, is on record due to the Sony leak as stating that female-driven superhero films cannot succeed and should not be made.
With Perlmutter out of the picture, Feige has a chance to step up and show us whether he had to toe the party line because of Perlmutter, or if he was just blowing smoke at us all this time.
edited 1st Sep '15 7:41:35 AM by TobiasDrake
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