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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42051: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:23:26 PM

[up][up][up] Ultimate Eddie's kind of reedy, iirc. Being Venom makes him huge - maybe they could do a Hulk sort of thing and have Andrew MOCAP Venom.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#42052: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:28:03 PM

Topher Grace was an awful choice for Venom.

He would have been a great Carnage.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42053: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:59:38 PM

Honestly Grace would have been fine if they'd made Venom a Serkis Folk, but Raimi wanted to stick to practical makeup and costuming because he felt that it'd be "cheating" to have Venom be a mo-capped CGI creation.

But I think history has shown us there are certain characters who just look much better in CGI.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42054: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:00:57 PM

the latest rumor for Civil War is Iron Man builds Peter a better suit and webslingers because he wants the Avengers to look cool. Meanwhile someone thinks Marvel is casting Daniel Rand as black in Luke Cage. Then in Jessica Jones someone claims Marvel isn't going with the full out sociopathic joker-esque sadist but someone more understandable in the same sense as they did with King Pin and all the show will keep guest stars to an ant sized amount so it doesnt dabble in the wider metapower side of MCU

edited 31st Aug '15 1:03:39 PM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42055: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:02:33 PM

It's Latino Review so I'll take all that with a massive helping of salt.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42056: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:04:14 PM

Then in Jessica Jones someone claims Marvel isn't going with the full out sociopathic joker-esque sadist but someone more understandable in the same sense as they did with King Pin

Anyone who thinks the Kingpin isn't a sociopath obviously didn't see the scene where he took off that guy's head with a car door.

edited 31st Aug '15 1:04:30 PM by alliterator

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42057: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:04:31 PM

yep. but im just posting it since theres nothing else to talk about.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#42058: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:10:03 PM

By socipath I mean not the generic one comicsbooks always have. the ones who are just cometpely insane for sake of insane to the point where its narmchastike. on the other hand King Pin was more grounded because he was treated as a human being first. no one wakes up and says im gonna be evil! we can understand him based on BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

the only thing we can understand about comicbook purple man is he's crazy cuz the writer said i wanna see a crazy man do crazy stuff! its worth noting mental illness here wasnt a joke either or done "wrong". well that same style applies to Purple Man based on what this says: "The full details of Jessica’s past will be teased through the season before a full revelation, but rather than save Killgrave for the grand finale, he will be a series regular, harassing Jessica throughout the show. But instead of portraying him as the complete monster of Jessica’s endlessly recurring nightmares, it seems the relationship between the two will be quite complicated, and the villain will be given moments where the audience understands the origins and potential skewed reasoning behind his evil. How this plays out exactly will be interesting to see, as it’s quite a departure from the completely skin-crawling, sociopathic, libertine sadist Bendis reappropriated for his series in one of the most twisted retcons ever written. It’s also possible he may not, actually, be purple…but I’m hoping his true colors will be digitally added at some point when he uses his powers. "

see hes just not evil for evil sake. yea im interested hows hes gonna be. before he was purple man he was an assassin... one of the pictures has a guy with a jacket and a gun behind the jacket. a hitman hnmmm idk i just want a trailer ok bye

edited 31st Aug '15 1:15:01 PM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42059: Aug 31st 2015 at 3:49:15 PM

Also ironically I always had less of a problem with Peter building high-tech web shooters than I did that he could create this amazing, functional, cinematic-level costume. I mean unless MCU!Peter is a dedicated cosplayer or something.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#42060: Aug 31st 2015 at 4:02:07 PM

Turns out MCU!Peter is a dedicated Avengers cosplayer.

Last year, at Comic-Con, he went as Iron Man.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#42061: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:39:00 PM

[up][up]Y'know, considering that there are high-quality cosplay groups that function almost like special effects studios nowadays, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

edited 31st Aug '15 6:39:35 PM by edvedd

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#42062: Aug 31st 2015 at 7:38:45 PM

Kevin Feige no longer under Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter's purview.

Just to clarify, this is a good thing, right?

edited 31st Aug '15 7:39:01 PM by TargetmasterJoe

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42063: Aug 31st 2015 at 7:39:54 PM

Unless this is all some elaborate plan for world domination, yeah.

Hail Marvel Studios HYDRA.

edited 31st Aug '15 7:40:34 PM by KnownUnknown

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42064: Aug 31st 2015 at 7:43:30 PM

[up] Sounds legit. However, seeing as Marvel is owned by Disney... HAIL DISNEY HYDRA!

edited 31st Aug '15 7:44:47 PM by kkhohoho

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#42065: Aug 31st 2015 at 8:11:17 PM

Seeing as it's Perlmutter's fault for the lack of female-led movies, fuck yes. He doesn't have any involvement in the actual film production does he?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42066: Aug 31st 2015 at 9:41:10 PM

Seeing as it's Perlmutter's fault for the lack of female-led movies

It's not all Perlmutter's fault. He expressed the opinion that female-led superhero films didn't succeed, but I'm pretty sure if Feige wanted to have one in Phase 2, he would have made one. He had plenty of opportunity to make a Black Widow movie and decided to just give her a big part in Winter Soldier instead.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#42067: Aug 31st 2015 at 9:46:47 PM

the last two female led superhero movies people remember is Elektra and Catwoman, both of which were complete flops. of course that's more to do with the fact that they were just considered bad movies, but when you factor in that hollywood is notoriously risk-averse and generally doesn't want to buck the status quo if they can help it, i'm not surprised.

edited 31st Aug '15 9:47:26 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42068: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:49:13 PM

I think the whole point of Got G was to proof that the could take not as well known characters and built a franchise around them...and that includes not so well-known female characters. Because Got G was a success, we'll get a phase three which doesn't consist entirely of sequels.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42069: Sep 1st 2015 at 12:36:39 AM

BTW: It is a good move for the movies. IP is well known for being extremely frugal, which is not necessarily a bad thing (personally I think way too many studios are overspending), but becomes a problem when it comes to seeing the bigger vision. But since Disney is not known for overspending but for a readiness to do long-term investments - for example Tangled was ridiculous expensive, but the software developed for this movie has been used for the following movies too, is largely responsible for Frozen looking so impressive and has therefore paid off ten times over by now - it will be good for the Marvel movies.

The bad news is that the live-action TV division didn't move, too. Those two element should be kept together. But perhaps it was impossible to do this, after all, Feige concentrates on the movies, not on the shows.

I would really like to know who is doing it, btw. Someone has to keep an eye of those shows, too.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42070: Sep 1st 2015 at 5:25:19 AM

Good thing Perlmutter is out of the picture for the films, he was a big enough cheapskate that he complained about journalists getting two sodas instead of one during pre-screenings.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42071: Sep 1st 2015 at 5:37:22 AM

[up]Well, stuff like this DOES add up, but in this case it is a cost which pays off...you want the reporters in a good mood after all.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#42072: Sep 1st 2015 at 7:18:44 AM

I'm pretty sure if Feige wanted to have one in Phase 2, he would have made one. He had plenty of opportunity to make a Black Widow movie and decided to just give her a big part in Winter Soldier instead.
I...um...what? "Yes, Kevin Feige's boss did not want a female-led movie made, but I'm pretty sure Feige would've spent the millions of dollars his boss did not want spent and made it happen anyway"? I'm not entirely sure how this works out. Hell, what part of "Feige's boss did not want a female-led movie" translates to "he had plenty of opportunities to make a female-led movie"?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#42073: Sep 1st 2015 at 7:24:16 AM

Hell, what part of "Feige's boss did not want a female-led movie" translates to "he had plenty of opportunities to make a female-led movie"?

Because by Phase 2, the MCU was making a shit ton of money and he could have used that to greenlight a female-led superhero film. "Feige's boss did not want female-led movies" isn't what happened either - it was more "Perlmutter expressed how female-led superhero films flopped." And Perlmutter may have been his boss, but he could have simply gone over his head to Disney and said, "Hey, a Black Widow movie will make tons of money, let's make one."

I mean, he essentially did that to complain about Perlmutter being his boss, which is why he isn't anymore, so I don't understand why he couldn't have done that to get a Black Widow movie greenlit.

Well, actually, I do understand why he didn't do that, but he could've done that. He just didn't want to make a Black Widow movie.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#42074: Sep 1st 2015 at 7:33:14 AM

I mean, he essentially did that to complain about Perlmutter being his boss, which is why he isn't anymore, so I don't understand why he couldn't have done that to get a Black Widow movie greenlit.
Hrm. When was this?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#42075: Sep 1st 2015 at 7:37:16 AM

The subject of diversity was one that was coming up as far back as the tail end of Phase 1. In particular, I remember around the time Avengers was out (this was either just before or right after) there had been an interview where Feige basically said "Yeah it'd be great to have some women and minorities, but that's out of my hands right now."

So some people did take that as an indication that he was saying he was totally for making movies about minority and female heroes but someone above him was preventing that from happening, even though his later statements seemed to contradict this to a degree.

edited 1st Sep '15 7:37:35 AM by comicwriter


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