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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41901: Aug 27th 2015 at 2:43:33 PM

"Together, Darcy, Jane, and Selvig are The Muggles Three"

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#41902: Aug 27th 2015 at 5:30:10 PM

Going a bit off topic, it seems that the Century Theater I work at is going to show Age of Ultron tomorrow. They say that it's going to be very slow these next few weeks, so they want to show this to pick up the speed. I'm wondering if this is the case for a lot you guys.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41903: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:30:54 PM

And the Internet is aflame with Sharon bashing even though she hasn't even gotten the chance to do anything. Why am I not surprised?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41904: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:32:50 PM

The internet has hated Sharon ever since they got wind of the idea that Steve might end up with someone who isn't Tony, Natasha, or Bucky.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41905: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:35:33 PM

Shippers hate things that threaten their ship. News at 11.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#41906: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:59:14 PM

I really don't care about shipping as a whole so the whole debacle comes across as kind of weird to me.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#41907: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:02:24 PM

There's also people who, independent of other ships, don't like the idea of her being a love interest for Cap on the basis that, given her relation to Peggy Carter, it's pretty uncomfortable.

Like me.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41908: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:07:06 PM

Cap doesn't even know that she's related to Peggy, though. Her last name is never mentioned in Winter Soldier.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41909: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:07:38 PM

Sharon knows, though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41910: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:08:41 PM

And? She wasn't trying to date him in Winter Soldier either. In fact, they pretty much barely interacted.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41911: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:10:13 PM

No, I know that.

But as a reason people would object to them getting together.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41912: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:10:32 PM

Cap and Peggy never even dated anyway. It's not really that creepy to me since Cap is the same age as Sharon is now. He also isn't pursuing her because of her relation to Peggy.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41913: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:20:49 PM

It's totally fine to not like the pairing, I don't and neither does Hayley Atwell apparently for the same reason.

People are bashing the character herself and calling her useless, weak, incompetent, or annoying (ah the usual Real Women Don't Wear Dresses brand of Die for Our Ship) because she might possibly be a ship threat even though she hasn't actually taken any steps toward it or even had enough time to leave an impression on anyone good or bad. Besides if they do get together, it would be Cap's fault in-universe since Natasha pushed him to pursue her, not the other other way around.

It's predictable but it's still frustrating to see that specific 90's era brand of Fan Dumb pop up even though it should've been been dumped in the same dead horse pit of Fandom Offenses as Mary Sue Classic a long time ago.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:29:03 PM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41914: Aug 27th 2015 at 10:45:33 PM

I am just curious how Marvel will handle this. I don't like the idea that Cap has a romantic relationship with a relative of Peggy either, but I guess if he doesn't know this, it might take some of the weirdness out of it.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#41915: Aug 27th 2015 at 11:00:31 PM

Him not knowing is a little unfeasible, though. Unless he manages to go the whole time before it gets serious without learning her last name. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41916: Aug 27th 2015 at 11:06:19 PM

The very beginning of the movie will have a brief cutaway gag in which Cap finally learns her last name. Cue spittake.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41917: Aug 27th 2015 at 11:36:21 PM

Carter is not really a rare surname. Plus, he might mostly know her as Agent 13.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41918: Aug 27th 2015 at 11:50:14 PM

It's still bound to come up at some point if they get close. Sharon might mention her aunt telling old war stories with the Captain. Maybe she'll even be at Peggy's funeral.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41919: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:04:11 AM

I don't get the aversion. Can someone explain it in more detail than "She's related to Peggy?"

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#41920: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:07:47 AM

It feels kind of creepily incestual.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41921: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:09:35 AM

[up][up]It has the unfortunate implication that woman are somehow replaceable by their biological offspring. Sharon is not Peggy and should be more than just a "new version" of her.

edited 28th Aug '15 12:09:50 AM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41922: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:10:37 AM

It's vaguely incestuous. Think Woody Allen. Kinda like romancing a widower then moving onto her daughter or her sister after she dies. The latter more or less happened in the comics where Steve was going out with Sharon, then realized after the fact that she was the younger sister of Peggy who was old by that time before comic book time turned her into her niece.

[up]Sharon and Peggy are probably different enough to avoid the Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest problem. Plus they've got different hair color and nationality in the movies to make it easier. But you're right, there is a little of that undertone in there.

edited 28th Aug '15 12:35:53 AM by AlleyOop

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41923: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:19:12 AM

[up][up]That makes sense, I can understand that.

[up]I don't see the incest angle, since Steve isn't related to either of them, and Sharon isn't Peggy's descendant. Then again I also don't see it in Hamlet either, even though English teachers all over the world say he's got an Oedipal complex.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#41924: Aug 28th 2015 at 12:59:54 AM

Sharon was actually Peggy's... niece (?) originally in the comics I believe instead of being a direct descendant. And whilst I can sort of understand why some people get an odd incesty vibe off of it I am not one of them. For one thing, it's several decades later, which Steve spent in ice anyway so he's not biologically that much older than Sharon.

Quite apart from which, he was never actually in a relationship with Peggy anyway. There was definitely mutual attraction and possibly romantic love between the two and it most likely WOULD have ended up as a 'proper' relationship... but he ended up a Capsicle before it could.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41925: Aug 28th 2015 at 2:45:10 AM

[up]Which makes the whole thing just more tragic. They never got more than a kiss.


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