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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It's totally fine to not like the pairing, I don't and neither does Hayley Atwell apparently for the same reason.
People are bashing the character herself and calling her useless, weak, incompetent, or annoying (ah the usual Real Women Don't Wear Dresses brand of Die for Our Ship) because she might possibly be a ship threat even though she hasn't actually taken any steps toward it or even had enough time to leave an impression on anyone good or bad. Besides if they do get together, it would be Cap's fault in-universe since Natasha pushed him to pursue her, not the other other way around.
It's predictable but it's still frustrating to see that specific 90's era brand of Fan Dumb pop up even though it should've been been dumped in the same dead horse pit of Fandom Offenses as Mary Sue Classic a long time ago.
edited 27th Aug '15 8:29:03 PM by AlleyOop
It's vaguely incestuous. Think Woody Allen. Kinda like romancing a widower then moving onto her daughter or her sister after she dies. The latter more or less happened in the comics where Steve was going out with Sharon, then realized after the fact that she was the younger sister of Peggy who was old by that time before comic book time turned her into her niece.
Sharon and Peggy are probably different enough to avoid the Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest problem. Plus they've got different hair color and nationality in the movies to make it easier. But you're right, there is a little of that undertone in there.
edited 28th Aug '15 12:35:53 AM by AlleyOop
Sharon was actually Peggy's... niece (?) originally in the comics I believe instead of being a direct descendant. And whilst I can sort of understand why some people get an odd incesty vibe off of it I am not one of them. For one thing, it's several decades later, which Steve spent in ice anyway so he's not biologically that much older than Sharon.
Quite apart from which, he was never actually in a relationship with Peggy anyway. There was definitely mutual attraction and possibly romantic love between the two and it most likely WOULD have ended up as a 'proper' relationship... but he ended up a Capsicle before it could.
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