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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41777: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:21:30 AM

Um, didn't they establish that Black Panther was gonna be neutral?

And where's Scarlet Witch?

EDIT: And still no sign of Spidey. Again. Grrr, the suspense is metaphorically killing me. >_<

edited 27th Aug '15 7:23:38 AM by TargetmasterJoe

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#41778: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:22:06 AM

Ninjas everywhere today.

I'm guessing this isn't final final. We know Wanda is in it right? She'd be a shoe-in for Team Cap.

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#41779: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:34:53 AM

But the important question is: whose side is Bucky on?

  • TONY: So we found this awesome Hydra assassin guy wandering around. Figuring hey, why not put him to good use, we reprogrammed him to hunt superheroes.
  • STEVE: Okay, wow. You have no idea how many f*cking lines you just crossed.
  • TONY: Are you kidding me? Have you read the comic? I basically have a license to do whatever the hell I want right now. As long as I avoid being Hitler, it's still an improvement!

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41780: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:40:26 AM

[up]I think Tony learned his lesson about extreme measures after, y'know, the "murder-bot" incident. And he's going after people he likes (more or less) this time.

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#41781: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:42:33 AM

Tony explicitly learned nothing from the murder-bot. He did it again at the first opportunity, and it worked out great, and he got an affirming pat on the shoulder from the peace-bot that ensued.

If Tony learned anything from that, it's "I'm really smart and usually right, and if people just stopped f*cking with my work, everything would turn out great."

edited 27th Aug '15 7:43:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#41782: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:42:57 AM

Really liking the new look on Hawkeye, just a mask close to looking like his Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes counterpart; gonna miss the long coat though, it was by far the best thing added to his character (besides the family of course).

Weird that they didn't include Scarlet Witch, I suppose its for balancing purposes to compare the te. . .*Sees Ant-Man hanging out on Hawkeye's shoulder* Nevermind about balance among the two teams in terms of roster. Though, Iron Man's team has more power with two of the members having weaponized suits, one is wearing a suit made of vibranium, and one is a robot made of vibranium. The only members on Cap's team who are empowered are Scarlet Witch and Ant-Man so I suppose the team are balenced in terms of power set.

Other than that, reeeeeeeally want to see Baron Zemo.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41783: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:43:13 AM

Quick observations:

  • Black Panther is Team Iron Man despite repeated Word of God confirmations that he has his own agenda and doesn't care about the Avengers. Methinks he is the double agent that was reported, rather than Black Widow.

  • Hawkeye rocking the purple!!!

  • No Scarlet Witch. If the rumors are true that she instigates the entire crisis after a failed attempt to stop Crossbones from activating a suicide bomb, perhaps she is imprisoned or standing trial?

  • No Spider-Man. Either they really want him to be The Reveal or those initial reports that his role isn't very large are still true.

edited 27th Aug '15 7:45:49 AM by comicwriter

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#41784: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:45:20 AM

Ew, I hope that rumor's untrue. Crossbones and suicide bomb do not belong in the same sentence together. Crossbones is a True Believer only so far as nobody expects him to die for the cause.

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#41785: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:47:09 AM

It may not be fully final. Maybe this was done a while ago.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41786: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:47:29 AM

@41781

Still, I don't think MCU Tony's (unlike his derailed 616 counterpart) going to do something as dickish as brainwash a close friend of Cap who he probably still considers a friend despite them being on opposite sides of this Civil War. And besides, it was Ultron who had Vision created and would've had his scary new body had Tony not thrown a monkey wrench into that plan by waking him up early.

edited 27th Aug '15 7:52:38 AM by nervmeister

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#41787: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:48:45 AM

That's the nice part about adaptations. Ya don't have to use all the stupid stuff.

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#41788: Aug 27th 2015 at 7:52:23 AM

[up][up] Agreed. The one thing I am excited about this movie (Civil War) is that it will most likely be an improved take on the original story.

Seeing how the Russo Brothers handle Winter Soldier, which turned out different from the comic story arc, I have a good feeling that Civil War will turn out how the writers originally intended it to be: a Grey-and-Grey Morality where both sides are good but uses questionable tactics that says otherwise.

edited 27th Aug '15 7:54:09 AM by BigK1337

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41789: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:00:05 AM

There are a lot of reasons to have problems with the Bruce/Natasha romance which have nothing to do with shipping. I never shipped Natasha with anyone and I actually thought that Bruce is pretty much banned from any non-platonic relationship considering that he can't even have sex in the first place.

Wasn't Black Panther supposed to take the role Spider-man had in the original story? In this case, he is not "neutral", he is supposed something for both sides to fight over. And it would make sense that at least initially he would be siding with Tony, because that's what Spider-man did too until registration pretty much destroyed his life. By the end of the movie he might offer shelter in Wakanda for the rebellious Superheroes.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41790: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:00:10 AM

Also despite Cap's Avengers being insanely underpowered, I think Ant-Man will end up as their ace in the hole. We saw him manage to escape Falcon by shrinking down and sabotaging his suit from the inside. I expect something similar is going to happen with him somehow managing to get the drop on Iron Man or War Machine at a critical junction.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:00:27 AM by comicwriter

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#41791: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:00:34 AM

I am just thrilled that Ant Man is standing on Hawkeye. I want this so bad.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#41792: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:01:55 AM

Bruce is pretty much banned from any non-platonic relationship considering that he can't even have sex in the first place.
You can have a romantic relationship without sex.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41793: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:02:00 AM

[up][up]Yeah, there is this one moment involving Hawkeye and Ant-Man that just HAS to happen at one point.

[up]That's why I wrote "non-platonic" and not "romantic". It certainly doesn't make sense that they put him into a relationship without addressing the elephant in the room. If he can't be with Betty for that reason, shouldn't that be a theme when it comes to Natasha, too? Just because she can't have children it doesn't mean that she doesn't enjoy sex, and if she doesn't, well, that should be addressed, too. You can't just throw those two together on the base of some sort attraction which comes entirely out of the left field.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:05:49 AM by Swanpride

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#41794: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:04:58 AM

I assumed that romantic fell into the category of non-platonic.

Why couldn't you ship him, then?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#41795: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:05:03 AM

Hawkeye is kind of interesting design wise. He kind of has the short sleeves from some of his recent runs, but he's mixing it up anime-style with a long one.

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#41796: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:06:24 AM

Bruce can have sex. Just not with Muggles.

His partner needs to be able to withstand the Hulk's mighty green...um...embrace, we'll say.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:07:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41797: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:07:14 AM

[up][up][up]Because he isn't asexual by choice. Being together with a woman which arouses him is not exactly a good idea for his self-control. Isn't that part of the reason he is no longer with Betty?

(And, too be honest, I really don't want think to much about him Hulking out during sex. Even if they kind of reconned that he has to control his pulse to he has to control his anger, since they brought it up during The Incredible Hulk I am seriously weirded out by the very idea of him being in a sexually charged situation).

edited 27th Aug '15 8:09:49 AM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41798: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:09:17 AM

I just thought Whedon wrote Betty out of the MCU so he could do this romance with Black Widow.

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#41799: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:10:00 AM

Betty's been out of the MCU since the first Avengers, when there was no Widow/Hulk romance.

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#41800: Aug 27th 2015 at 8:11:28 AM

Whedon didn't want any sidekicks in the first Avengers though, this is different.


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