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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#41626: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:56:30 AM

Perhaps the reason no one knows about Vampires is that up until the hypothetical Blade movie there aren't any active vampires because Blade killed all of them many decades ago (since Blade has a prolonged lifespan, he's still around). The movie would be about the vampires making a comeback after some vampires that have been dormant since before Blade's time wake up.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41627: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:57:45 AM

In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. we only follow one group who, for half the first season and most of the second, were dealing with a specific threat. The fact that something didn't come up in that series means really little. Vampires could easily be something that Colson's team just happened to have met yet.

Yeah, I think that's the best way to introduce it - instead of having another secret order that nobody knows about running around, have SHIELD be aware of vampires and have been facing off against them for decades - maybe even fighting alongside heroes who have been fighting them for centuries (one of whom is Blade, a comparatively young hunter who has learned from the best)

Coulson is aware of them, Fury is aware of them, etc - it's just that Coulson's group isn't the one who deals with them, and now that SHIELD is desperately trying to regroup they haven't been able to keep it up so the vampires are gaining power.

Or basically, treating Blade and his fight against vampires as something that's been going on for a long time that we're just peeking into now - like how Hellboy does it. The MCU needs to do more of that, honestly.

edited 25th Aug '15 10:59:04 AM by KnownUnknown

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41628: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:01:22 AM

It'd lead to fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together—mass hysteria!''

Nice Ghostbusters referencing there, Wackd.

Especially funny when you consider the fact that Ernie Hudson was in talks of being T'Chaka last time I checked. (Don't know if there's any update on that...)

In other news, filmmaker Quentin Tarantino shares his thoughts on superhero movies such as those in the MCU.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41629: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:15:16 AM

Wont be surprised if the Darkhold tome shows up as an easter egg in the Doctor Strange film. Just chilling on a bookshelf in the Ancient One's library or something.

edited 25th Aug '15 11:17:54 AM by nervmeister

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#41630: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:20:39 AM

[up][up][up]Heh, yeah. The downfall of SHIELD might well be the reason Blade is necessary (again?). The Vampires started getting bold.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41631: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:21:45 AM

Nice. So Tarantino wishes that the MCU had existed in the 80s.

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#41632: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:25:49 AM

Doesn't surprise me. You can see a very comic-book-like quality in his works.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#41633: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:27:43 AM

One thing they kinda painted themselves into a corner with was, early in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., having Coulson explain that S.H.I.E.L.D. has been working hard to catalog people with superhuman abilities, but that they only have a few dozen names on that "Index".

There are ways to work around that, though. One is that Coulson (in the first season, anyway) only has Level 8 clearance, while S.H.I.E.L.D. clearance levels go up to 10; so even if there were vampires running around this whole time, their existence might be too classified for him to know about. Another workaround is to say HYDRA was colluding with the vampires, and so kept their existence hidden from the legitimate parts of S.H.I.E.L.D.

edited 25th Aug '15 11:28:45 AM by RavenWilder

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#41634: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:02:11 PM

[up]Thy might know Vampires exist, but haven't been able to identify all of them. Some if those "few dozen" of the Index are Vampires, but not all Vampires are there. Furthermore, it might be so that their policy toward Vampires is to kill on sight, which means fewer names in the Index.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41635: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:17:15 PM

It's just stupid...Marvel has its plate full and Blade isn't exactly a hero which fits into the MCU. AT ALL"

Blade can easily fit into the MCU. He's just a character, one that would be prefect for what goes on in Hell's Kitchen. His personality, motivation, back story, power set, and appearance isn't out of bonds.

Only supernatural creatures are the problem. Marvel's vampires originate from Chthon's Darkhold. Bam Dr. Strange quick cameo. The only way around that would be the generic vampire virus that has been done to death, which seems very random without anyone else knowing. We already have Inhumans, super ninjas, and "dragons" (Immortal Weapons) keeping their secrets from the average Joe. Vampires seems tacked on. Another problem arises. Blade is not known just for his vampire relationship but supernatural in general. He faces ghost, witches, and anything else that crawls underneath your bed. More vampires wouldn't go anywhere different previous films did. Blade at first considered himself the Punisher of the supernatural realm until he actually met Castle. This aspect would receive no justice without the entire supernatural realm.

The most supernatural our verse gets is cosmic magic. The manipulation of the universe itself, bending each part to your own will or pushing your will beyond its limits.

All Marvel has to do is acknowledge there are other entries out there among these dimensions, such as Hell Lords. That doesn't sound out of reach. Bam Ghost Rider appearance as well.

The cheapest way to fix vampires is through Morbius. He infects a handful of people, therefore we have modern day vampires running amok. That root ignores Darkhold and Atlantean.

Really Ghost Rider sounds easier than Blade. We don't need Ghost and Goblins for him. Just other dimmisnios and their inhabitants...

edited 25th Aug '15 12:56:29 PM by xbimpy

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41636: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:19:51 PM

Blade himself is a supernatural creature. He is half-vampire, remember?

But all this aside: The last thing I currently want is yet another Vampire story.

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#41637: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:21:41 PM

i wasn't aware we had an oversaturation of vampires at the moment to begin with.

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#41638: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:25:25 PM

Well not In the MCU we haven't, and that whole fad died down to more normal levels years ago.. And I never liked vampires to begin with so the influx the media had of them some years ago only made me dislike them more. I wouldn't want hem in the Marvel movie verse anyway.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41639: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:26:58 PM

[up][up]There has been at least one Vampire show on air since Buffy. Between various takes on Dracula, True Blood and Vampire Diary, I am kind of tired of the theme...granted, Blade at least has terrifying vampires, but since Blade himself is supposed to be "cool", it doesn't buckle the trend either.

And then there is naturally the book-series which shall not be named.

[up]Vampires haven't been good since they went from Nosferatu and Christopher Lee to Interview with a Vampire....

edited 25th Aug '15 12:28:32 PM by Swanpride

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#41640: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:31:51 PM

i don't really watch much tv to be frank, so personally i'm not feeling oversaturation, but i can understand how people might not like the trend.

(the unnamed book franchise isn't really a big deal anymore though outside of being occasional Snark Bait for people.)

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41641: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:34:21 PM

Personal dislike of Vampires(modern or past) is a more understandable reason for me than any of the previous reason against their inclusion in the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41642: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:37:58 PM

[up][up]You do realize that fifty shades of bad writing started out as a fanfiction of said Snark Bait, right? The influence is still evident. *shudder*

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41643: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:38:25 PM

Staying true to what makes Blade Blade isn't just another vampire story because it's a bit more mystical than most people would admit. He deals with the ENTIRE supernatural community, not just vampires. And vampires in Marvel have been pretty different much like the ones in the Strain. When you really get into detail Marvel's vampires don't necessarily play vampire tropes straight outside Dracula (Tryks for example). They are different from what you would except in Underworld.

Problem is the entire supernatural realm. Dimensional "entities" sound okay but a tribe of werewolves living next door to Matt Murodock is more random than needed. If it ever does happen, which I know it won't, then whoever is in charge really needs to think hard. If Marvel went with introducing magic as an ambient life force that gave birth to Elder Gods root first before anything else then it wouldn't be so hard.

Blade in the MCU must be more than me vs vampires. And it must be more than potraying generic Hollywood vampires we grew accustomed to. Remember Marvel mixed some Lovecraft in them

edited 25th Aug '15 12:53:48 PM by xbimpy

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#41644: Aug 25th 2015 at 12:41:22 PM

[up][up] yes i'm aware of that, but the story itself has no vampires, which is what we're discussing here.

edited 25th Aug '15 12:42:28 PM by wehrmacht

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#41645: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:05:55 PM

Like Runaways! Whatever happened to that project?

It disappeared into Development Hell. It will resurface in a decade after everyone's forgotten Marvel was even making it, and we'll be disappointed to discover that all the female characters were written out of it. The new writer will make an attempt at patching the female characters back in, but it will be a mostly token gesture in which more scenes are spent justifying their absence than involving them.

Regarding Vampires

No reason they even need to be ignorant about them. I'm sure there are lots of things in the world that S.H.I.E.L.D. is aware of but that haven't come up in a movie yet. The Absorbing Man, for instance.

Vampires don't even need to be a secret society. They're a species, not a conspiracy organization.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41646: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:08:53 PM

The biggest rumor for Blade in the MCU is his daughter Fallon. Bleeding Cool claimed a high level source has information on Marvel wanting a series based off her. Rumors meh.

For those who do not know, Fallon is a sixteen year old Oregon living life the way she sees fit. She's captain of the Debate Team and becomes nominated for Prom Queen. She however feels something missing from her life. Then it quickly crashes down the moment supernatural creatures appear before her town along with Eric Brooks, the long lost father. From there she becomes the new Blade.

Idk... Marvel currently owns Blade. Are they going to let him sit on his ass or just continue with the previous Blade series? If nothing happens in 5 years then I say they gave up or never cared

edited 25th Aug '15 1:09:28 PM by xbimpy

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41647: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:08:55 PM

[up][up] Considering that the Runaways comic by Noelle Stevenson is getting a lot of publicity due to be being a Secret Wars tie-in, I doubt that a possible adaptation of the original comic will be treated with such disrespect.

edited 25th Aug '15 1:09:08 PM by higherbrainpattern

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41648: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:09:55 PM

There was a runaway script. Drew Pearce was planned to adapt it.

"PEARCE: But I think the big difference being that—as grandiose as it sounds—cinematically I wanted it to reflect (and this is going to sound ridiculous), but for me, Runaways can be The Godfather of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And The Pride in my version were an even more branded crime syndicate. I think if you then look at the arcs and character twists you were talking about, and that lineage, it's in a very analogous way."

edited 25th Aug '15 1:21:09 PM by xbimpy

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#41649: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:13:21 PM

The Runaways comic that only has one member of the Runaways even appearing in it?

Secret Wars is a great event and a lot of its tie-ins are popular, but most bare only minimal resemblance to the stories they're paying homage to. I wouldn't expect it to be an especially great influence on any future MCU projects.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41650: Aug 25th 2015 at 1:15:16 PM

[up]6 There's three basic types of vampires in Marvel. Ones under a sec, ones that act like wild beasities, and ones like Blade who do their own thing with more intelligence than the second type. Going by the SHIELD knows about vampire root idk sounds... tacked on to me.

edited 25th Aug '15 1:23:05 PM by xbimpy


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