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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41601: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:26:43 AM

They can always make a Blade movie without tying it into the MCU.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41602: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:32:41 AM

[up]Sure, but they already do two to three movies per year which are safe money makers because they are part of the MCU.

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#41603: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:36:50 AM

I don't see why Blade wouldn't fit. We already have Norse gods, Inhumans, aliens, and science-accident superpowers. We're about to get sorcery. Vampires don't seem that far-fetched.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41604: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:49:11 AM

I think they meant tone-wise he wouldn't fit.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41605: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:54:17 AM

The more characters get adapted, the more I realize how many secret organizations secretly controlling the characters' world there are in the average comic book universe - and since every newly introduced organization is a secret to everybody, everyone has to be manipulating the same events without even realizing everybody else exists.

Next up, Secret Order of Vampires.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:56:25 AM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#41606: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:55:56 AM

We can't have two black protagonists running around! It'd lead to fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together—mass hysteria!

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#41607: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:59:08 AM

Technically it'd be three. Which is even more preposterous.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41608: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:00:07 AM

edit: Never mind.

edited 25th Aug '15 10:00:17 AM by Kostya

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#41610: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:05:19 AM

Luke Cage

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41612: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:09:01 AM

I think they meant tone-wise he wouldn't fit.

That makes even less sense. Aside from being generally light, tone-wise the movies are all different. Hell, tone-wise, Blade might fit right in with Doctor Strange - after all, that has magic and will have an overall horror feeling. Next logical step is, of course, vampires.

The only objection to having a new Blade movie or TV show is that the comic itself hasn't come out yet and we don't know if it will be good or not. But since it's written by Tim Seeley, who writes the awesome Hack/Slash and Revival comic, I'm thinking it's going to be good.

The only other objection I see is from the source itself, Bleeding Cool, who seems to be saying "This comic was delayed. MAYBE IT'S BEING TURNED INTO A MOVIE?"

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41613: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:11:58 AM

I just don't care about the character enough to want them in the MCU. There are other movies I'd like to see.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41614: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:15:14 AM

There are a lot of problems with the concept of Blade in the MCU. For one, shouldn't the concept of Vampires on earth come up by now after two seasons of Shield?

But, yeah, above all he doesn't fit tonally. It is easy with Daredevil and co, because they are in their own "Netflix" verse in the MCU. I don't see how you can make the same distinction in the movies.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#41615: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:15:32 AM

[up][up]Like Runaways! Whatever happened to that project?

edited 25th Aug '15 10:16:11 AM by zam

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#41616: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:17:02 AM

I dunno. Shouldn't the concept of magic and demons have come up before now too?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41617: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:17:40 AM

Eh, I don't agree with Vampires being improper for the MCU, and I definitely don't agree with the idea that it would make S.H.I.E.L.D. look bad for not knowing about them.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#41618: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:18:50 AM

We just need to say that the supernatural crowd went under SHIELD's radar.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41619: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:20:04 AM

[up][up][up]Magic is only science (so far) and I am really curious how they solve this in Dr. Strange. But since Daemons apparently live in another realm, they are less problematic.

edited 25th Aug '15 10:20:29 AM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41620: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:26:18 AM

There are a lot of problems with the concept of Blade in the MCU. For one, shouldn't the concept of Vampires on earth come up by now after two seasons of Shield?

It did: in Season 2, while Simmons is undercover in Hydra, she finds a reference to Bessie the Hellcow, a vampire bovine who was turned by Dracula in the comics.

See? One canonical reference to a vampire is all it takes.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41621: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:27:09 AM

We just need to say that the supernatural crowd went under SHIELD's radar.

There's only so many times they can pull that before they either start obviously repeating themselves or just make SHIELD look ridiculously incompetent.

Or both.

edited 25th Aug '15 10:29:55 AM by KnownUnknown

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#41622: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:36:18 AM

SHIELD being incompetent is nothing new. The comic version of the organization being infiltrated by enemies is a long running joke among the fandom.

Or just say the supernatural crowd was really, really good at hiding.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41623: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:42:24 AM

Once again: Agents of SHIELD has made reference to Bessie the Hellcow.

Also, you don't need to say that SHIELD didn't know about it, just that they knew but vampires are good at hiding, so there wasn't a way to fight them. I mean, if SHIELD can make a reference to the Bermuda Triangle, I think they can make a reference to vampires.

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#41624: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:42:37 AM

In Agents Of SHIELD we only follow one group who, for half the first season and most of the second, were dealing with a specific threat. The fact that something didn't come up in that series means really little. Vampires could easily be something that Colson's team just happened to have met yet.

Also, as it was already mentioned, it have come up in the show, however briefly.

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#41625: Aug 25th 2015 at 10:48:46 AM

Yeah, that's also my issue with the whole vampire thing in the MCU. I mean at least with Doctor Strange it seems that "demons" and other "magical entities" reside in alternate/parallel and otherwise inaccessible universes.

Yeah sure you could have a secret society of vampires, I can totally see how,, they're small, not particularly populous but live for long times as leaders of isolated and small communities where they effectively have nigh-total control over the citizens and minimal government oversight, and extreme hostility towards outsiders and people with interests in leaving.

So you know, places like the Appalachian mountains would be a good place to set a Blade story as he is on his secret war against the vampire menace.

They wouldn't necessarily be a threat to humanity as a whole but they are basically enslaving whole populations and treating them like cattle and there is little better than to make stakes small and personal after going through story after story of nationwide and worldwide threats.

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