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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41576: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:19:26 AM

[up][up]Pfft! Heavens no! It's totally off. I mean, look at the colors and the web pattern.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:20:44 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41577: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:19:55 AM

I'm 100 percent sure the first response was joking, guys. The post was already a joke. I was saying chances are the "new" Spider-Man suit isn't going to look terribly different from the same basic design he's been wearing in movies for over a decade.

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#41578: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:22:01 AM

And then it turns out he's actually Spider-Hero, who was Blade wearing a cheap, knock-off Spider-Man costume he bought in a hurry to mask his identity.

Marvel did get the rights back....

edited 24th Aug '15 10:22:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41579: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:33:51 AM

[up] No no no, he's actually Prowler who became Spider Hero after Morlun killed Spider-Man.

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#41580: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:38:48 AM

Both are acceptable.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41581: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:31:16 AM

"Finally, an excuse to go slaughter planets! Took long enough." Until infinity war comes out, my headcanon is that Thanos deliberately set it up so the strongest possible groups would get their hands on the infinity stones so he had an excuse to go kill them all."

This sounds fairly reasonable. Thanos sticks strongly to one motivation and modus operandi until proven wrong or until his best laid plans fail. Everything he does is for the love of his life, death; both the actualization of it and the entity itself.

- “Am I not Thanos ? Did I not butcher the woman who gave me birth, who force-fed me into this hell called life ? Is not the wake of my passing crimson with the blood of my enemies and allies alike ?! Death is with me every second of the day ! My every moment is spent in either dealing out Death or worshipping it ! So tell me, who under the stars is better suited than I to be Death’s consort."

In that sense he is a true a nihilist on the outside though truthfully he doesn't understand himself to the degree we perceive. While he is Death's agent, he does sometimes assist Earth's heroic community for the greater good. Remember there are characters stronger than him, mainly abominational abstract horrors of the worst kind, who can easily wipe out his own existence. Death would have no meaning and there would be no purpose with the universe not existing. When Thanos acts as a savior he finds it fascinating. I doubt Infinity War will show this aspect, but the possibility of other characters wanting all his power might happen.

By exploiting big egos like Ronan and hearing humanity resisted death, he is given a reason to further involve himself in their demise without needing to get out of his seat.

Avenger's Age of Ultron stinger implies Thanos was fully aware of what happened to the mind gem. Specifically his safety net (if Loki failed - Loki did), a weapon he hoped would corrupt the human race, ended up being purified by a being of love, the Vision. That alone is the worst insult you can throw at Thanos. Vision sides with life.

On the other hand, the consequences of failing automatically means humans hold to one gem, Asguards another, Nova Corps another, and the Collector another. They go separate ways and each location is guarded by someone who challenges against not only his goal but intellect and strength. He will show up on Xander, he will show up on Asgard, he will show on Earth, he will show up on Nowhere and finally take action! I can imagine it right now. On the other hand, I can easily imagine it not happening as well since total annihilation would mean Thanos 1 everyone else 0. No more movies as a result...

Now it is time for Thanos to bring Death to them personally. There is a problem with that still; he is so overconfident he never goes all out because that would be too easy. When he told Ronan "I would bathe the starways in your blood" he meant it literality. However, Ronan wasn't worth the challenge.

edited 24th Aug '15 12:32:06 PM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41583: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:38:16 AM

Holy massive reach, Batman! The Bilderberg Group is an actual thing, and while it's been accused of having a lack of transparency, they're not, as the article asserts, the Illuminati.

edited 24th Aug '15 11:40:52 AM by comicwriter

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41584: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:48:35 AM

If you research the Bilderberg group you'll find are hundreds of books, websites, and TV shows about how they're the Illuminati. Conspiracy theory books, websites, and TV shows, but still. And drawing from conspiracy theories makes for good fiction. Unless there is actually an Illuminati besides that one organization from a few hundred years ago, they're probably the closest real thing.

edited 24th Aug '15 11:50:29 AM by stingerbrg

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#41585: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:49:09 AM

Well, I hope the MCU Spidey suit has bigger eyes like the ASM 2 version. Maybe it's just because I'm used to the Ultimate Spider-Man comics' art style, but I really prefer Spidey with gigantic eyes. The Tobey Maguire version's were way too small.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41586: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:50:51 AM

While that is correct, it still sounds nothing like the actual Illuminati from the comics. And the attempted assassination of his dad happened in the comics anyway, and it was at a similar meeting, so I'm not sure how any of that is proof of foreshadowing for the Illuminati.

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#41587: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:56:09 AM

Yeah. 616 Illuminati is wholly unrelated to the Bilderberg Group, with a core membership consisting of

  • Tony Stark
  • Reed Richards, who cannot appear in the MCU.
  • Namor, who cannot appear in the MCU.
  • Doctor Strange
  • Charles Xavier, who cannot appear in the MCU.
  • Black Bolt

Later members include Captain America, who would have still been frozen in ice at the time this took place, and Black Panther himself.

With half their membership banned from an MCU appearance and the two potential replacement members unlikely at best, this is unquestionably not invoking the Illuminati.

It may, however, be invoking the Intelligencia given that the exact same file lists him as an associate of the organization. I would not be surprised if the Bilderberg Group conspiracy theories and the Intelligencia are connected in later films.

edited 24th Aug '15 11:56:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41588: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:22:59 PM

I was about to ask "but who would be in it, barely any of the members have been introduced." But then it suggested it was made up of the older generation.

Though Howard being in a secret organization of powerful people who secretly control the direction of progress and the world, hidden even from SHIELD, would be too ironic for words.

edited 24th Aug '15 12:24:05 PM by KnownUnknown

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#41589: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:24:06 PM

Yeah, between founding S.H.I.E.L.D. and being assassinated by Hydra, I think Howard's had enough involvement with secret conspiracies as is.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41590: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:32:57 PM

"It's like SHIELD but even secreter."

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#41591: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:37:16 PM

RE: MCU!Spidey: maybe I shouldn't have said anything...sad

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#41592: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:08:12 PM

I wouldn't want an MCU Illuminati anyway. Even if they are a league of jackasses one of the things I found cool about them was that I had never thought that there could be representatives for the various super-forces on planet earth and then all of a sudden there they are and it makes sense. They shouldn't be trying to control the world from he shadows and would have better purpose as the superpowered version of the world security council of diplomatic force.

I mean we have Magic represented by Earth's sorcerer supreme, Inhumans by Black Bolt, Mutants by Professor X, Advanced science and Mutates by Reed Richards, Atlantis and the world's undersea life as a whole by Namor, and The Avengers as well as Advanced Engineering and tech by Stark.

By mere rights issues half of what makes all that interesting is gone.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41593: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:12:36 PM

The pool of heroes is also a bit too small. In the comics it was cool and novel because it was a bunch of people from unrelated franchises coming together on one team. An MCU Illuminati would basically be the Avengers plus Doctor Strange.

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#41594: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:19:49 PM

Yeah, the MCU version it'd basically be Tony going on some sort of paranoid tangent on his increasingly desperate bid to put a suit of armor around the world. Maybe Strange will be there and eventually Blackagar.

They'll stare in confusion and with great concern about what they've been dragged into.

They eventually ask Steve and T'challa to join and their response is to slap Tony upside the head and get him to Pepper and Rhodey who proceed to slap the hell out of Tony.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41595: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:28:01 PM

i dont know how IL can work... we already have everyone defending their own part and fallout doesnt really crossover. at most i can see Il working for inhumans

edited 24th Aug '15 1:40:17 PM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41596: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:36:55 PM

[up]They were saying it'd be kind of redundant and silly to have Howard involved in ANOTHER secret conspiracy after both the surprise reveal that he helped found SHIELD and the whole thing about him having been assassinated.

edited 24th Aug '15 1:37:07 PM by comicwriter

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41597: Aug 24th 2015 at 1:52:07 PM

i can see howard making it if he was skeptical of someone out there before they killed him. if it was in response to defending against this unknown threat before it got real bad. build the tension up from agent cater. however make IL the last thing he ever did. if marvel got back F4 they can fit reed richards into by howard being amazed a ten year old just solved the most complex quantum physics problem. he wants the boy's genius to be used for IL because he fears without them it would have no balance but the parents say no and run far away. time skip reed blast off into space.

idk. howard being the center of IL can only work if it feels earned rather than shock value surprise.

well i dont know how howard stark came up anyway lol. it only says t'achala klaue and Bilderberg. w/e its speculate random stuff time

edited 24th Aug '15 2:23:34 PM by xbimpy

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41598: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:06:57 PM

[up]x7:Nah, there's still one thing that would make the suit pretty different from the previous films' versions, while still remaining true to the comics' look. Well, two if they decide to make his not-homemade suit be glowy like Spidey's new suit will be.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41600: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:25:09 AM

It's just stupid...Marvel has its plate full and Blade isn't exactly a hero which fits into the MCU. AT ALL:


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