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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41551: Aug 23rd 2015 at 4:32:10 PM

He also says he'd love to appear in an episode of Agents of SHIELD, but nobody has reached out to him.

edited 23rd Aug '15 4:34:43 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41552: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:10:58 PM

I always though Hawkeye of all characters would have benefited the most from being on that spin-off.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41553: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:20:35 PM

When Thanos said that in the stinger....to whom said that? it sound he kept all day waching his fan mail until they annoying for too long, almost in "Ok,ok I will wreck avenger shit, happy now?"

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#41554: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:58:53 PM

I kind of wonder how stable the sides are going to be in Civil War.

I think it's very likely at least one person will switch over at a key moment, or reveal themselves to have been on the other side all along (Black Widow is the obvious choice here, but they might do something less obvious). But I could see things get a lot more jumbled to the point where there's only one or two characters Captain America and Iron Man can trust apiece by the climax of the movie.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41555: Aug 23rd 2015 at 7:02:15 PM

The fact that they need to be on strictly delineated "teams" actively fighting against each other, and even needing the existence of a "double agent" in the first place, doesn't sit well with me. Seems too "toyetic" for lack of a better word.

I'd prefer it if it's an ideological divide that mostly bears out in fights of the verbal kind instead of big explosions and punchouts. No Might Makes Right please. Each hero's personal stance would place them closer to one side of a "spectrum" with Tony and Cap at each end, and loose "alliances" built on common philosophical ground, but with individuals shifting left or right and moving over to other alliances as events unfold. However that's kind of complicated for a single movie and I could see that causing the AOU problem without perfect micromanagement.

edited 23rd Aug '15 7:09:31 PM by AlleyOop

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#41556: Aug 23rd 2015 at 7:08:47 PM

Well, I see it as teams in the sense that Steve and Sam are clearly doing what they think is best, which is clearly on the 'wrong' side of whatever this accord thing is, and clearly there's going to be friction.

The ideological divide seems more between Steve and Tony, not necessarily everyone else.

edited 23rd Aug '15 7:11:25 PM by edvedd

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41557: Aug 23rd 2015 at 7:46:03 PM

So far, it's looking more and more like instead of being an all-out "war" like in the comics, Cap and Sam will be forced to do some stuff (in both helping Bucky and in stopping Zemo) that will put them on the wrong side of the law given the new restrictions, and Iron Man and company will be forced to take them down.

Various heroes will either throw their support behind Cap or help Tony bring them in, but instead of being sides and battle lines and having an all out conflict it will be more of a fugitive situation - with Cap ignoring the law more and more to do what he feels is right. It's by far the best way to keep the "Civil War" angle more of a setting element while keeping focus on Cap, Sam and Bucky's story (and/or Zemo), which is what they've been claiming is going to be the case.

It would also work well with Cap turning himself in at the end.

edited 23rd Aug '15 7:46:40 PM by KnownUnknown

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#41558: Aug 23rd 2015 at 7:58:57 PM

The way the actors have been describing it, they're not going to be hatin' on each other that hard.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41559: Aug 23rd 2015 at 9:51:44 PM

Good. They were all way too quick to be at each-other's throats in the original, and we all know it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41560: Aug 23rd 2015 at 10:12:36 PM

Yeah, I agree. Those people are still friends.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41561: Aug 23rd 2015 at 10:28:27 PM

Shame Age of Ultron didn't spend more time showcasing that side of them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41562: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:11:49 AM

I know I said this a couple of times already, but for good measures: I still believe that Civil war will only show the start of the conflict, and not the whole story. I have a feeling that it will be just as much of a game changer as The Winter Soldier was.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#41564: Aug 24th 2015 at 4:23:33 AM

That particular aspect of their relationship has always popped up when they're on screen. Theirs is probably the most clearly drawn interpersonal conflict in the MCU, and why Civil War can work now.

They occasionally get along, but it'll always be tense.

edited 24th Aug '15 4:24:03 AM by edvedd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41565: Aug 24th 2015 at 5:25:14 AM

Though I don't think that they truly dislike each other. Not anymore, at least. It is more that they have very conflicting views on the world and are both very, very stubborn.

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#41566: Aug 24th 2015 at 5:36:31 AM

There's something funny about one of their last conversations after such a tense time being an ego-saving discussion about how robots don't count damnit.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41567: Aug 24th 2015 at 8:49:58 AM

I still want to see MCU!Spidey's costume...sad

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41569: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:09:11 AM

[up]I dont know. That look isn't nearly as iconic as the Tobey Macguire version. It's practically night and day in fact.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:09:44 AM by nervmeister

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41570: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:12:55 AM

...It's the same suit? I mean, it looks no different than the Maguire and the second Garfield suit.

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#41571: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:13:57 AM

It's Spider-Man. He looks like Spider-Man. I hope you weren't expecting anything more earth-shattering than Spider-Man because, well, it's Spider-Man.

That Spider-Man very closely resembles Spider-Man should come as no surprise.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:14:27 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41572: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:15:05 AM

Honestly, you have to really try to get a spider-man costume wrong.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41573: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:16:08 AM

[up][up][up]Totally not the same. It lacks the visual comic book feel of the original masterpiece.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:16:54 AM by nervmeister

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41574: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:16:10 AM

[up][up][up] I know, I was talking about nervmeister's comment. To say that "Maguire's look as Spiderman is iconic" is weird because this new suit looks basically the same as Maguire's.

[up] 'Visual comic book feel'? Are you kidding? It's the same suit!

edited 24th Aug '15 10:18:40 AM by higherbrainpattern

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41575: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:17:31 AM

Is that not actually just a pic of Maguire?

I'm thinking it is and you're just having a "Woosh" moment.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:18:10 AM by stingerbrg


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