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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41501: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:11:36 PM

That's what I'm guessing too, but that's still a really bad way of phrasing it. "He was paid X for the kill" implies that the kill that he was paid for took place, at least when its all on its own.

edited 21st Aug '15 6:12:34 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41502: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:14:01 PM

I'm guessing is they wrote that up before they solidified whatever they were gonna do in Civil War, but yeah.

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#41503: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:17:29 PM

"Give us the 10 million or we put cuttlefish in your pond. LOTS of cuttlefish."

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#41504: Aug 21st 2015 at 7:43:28 PM

Isn't it possible the 'T'Chaka' Klaue was paid to kill was the father? I know he had a different name in the comic, but maybe the current Black Panther is new to the 'job'.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41505: Aug 21st 2015 at 7:48:41 PM

T'Chaka is the father, T'Challa is the son. Both are still alive during Civil War.

edited 21st Aug '15 7:48:56 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41506: Aug 21st 2015 at 8:13:56 PM

Wasn't Age of Ultron in production before Phase 3 was announced? Supposedly Whedon included Klaue without knowing that Black Panther was going to be a thing, so chances are it's a retcon thing, much like how Bucky has contradictory backstory (one Freeze-Frame Bonus has his info identical to the comics including being from Indiana and four years younger than Cap, others make him a same-age neighbor).

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#41507: Aug 21st 2015 at 8:22:26 PM

[up][up]Oh, right. Similar names confuse me.

Do we know both are alive, though? I must have missed that memo. I only know "Black Panther" will appear, which technicality could be either (though most certainly is T'Challa).

[up]A single freeze frame scene could easily be included late in the production, after the Black Panther movie had been confirmed. Whedon didn't know about that movie when he chose to use Klaue, sure, but that doesn't mean he didn't learn about it and decided to include an easter egg.

edited 21st Aug '15 8:24:03 PM by Heatth

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41508: Aug 21st 2015 at 8:33:05 PM

This was all Feige said about it.

“Today, pre-Civil War, post-Ultron I think he and his father are saying, ‘A bunch of vibranium just got out of here and wreaked a lot of havoc. Maybe we can’t stay behind these borders anymore, maybe we have to stick our heads out and make at least an attempt to be a part of the rest of the world right now, while at the same time protecting our people.’ That’s sort of where we meet him in Civil War," explained Feige.

Though he says pre-Civil War so if we're moving in real time, he could be dead in a year.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41509: Aug 21st 2015 at 8:33:27 PM

[up][up] I believe Kevin Feige said that T'Challa is in America on a mission from his father. They may be saving the whole "T'Chaka is assassinated" thing for Black Panther's movie.

Or, rather, what [up] they said. [nja].

edited 21st Aug '15 8:33:52 PM by alliterator

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#41510: Aug 21st 2015 at 9:11:55 PM

You could give a retcon that Black Panther's father is T'Tchaka The Second, and Klaw killed T'Chaka the first.

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stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41511: Aug 21st 2015 at 9:15:36 PM

Or chalk it as another "Easter Egg or Worldbuilding?"

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#41512: Aug 21st 2015 at 9:32:28 PM

Just like the Infinity Gauntlet in Thor 1, unless they retconned it to actually not be just an Easter Egg since then.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41514: Aug 21st 2015 at 9:53:11 PM

I believe in the Ultimate Universe, there are actually two Infinity Gauntlets and each one holds three gems.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41515: Aug 22nd 2015 at 5:08:32 AM

History of Wakanda:

The Kingdom of Wakanda has isolated itself away from society for centuries. Black Panther, a title passed down, oversaw the country, making discussions. T'achaka is the current Black Panther.

However, somehow one day, Howard Stark's researchers located Wakanda's most precious resource called Vibranium.

Time skip to the modern era... S.H.I.E.L.D secretly marked Wakanda as a hotspot for meta activity. Although Nick Fury never showed evidence he went to Wakanda the Bus he gave to Coulson had a room enclosed by silicon carbide walls that happened to be mixed in vibranium. His Toolbox was made from pure vibranium.

Meanwhile, Ulysses Klaue actually went into Wakanda and came back out with a lot of vibranium.

T'achala, the son of T'achaka, decided to ignore his country's norm by getting involved with society. Thanks to westerns exploiting vibranium the world almost ended via Ultron. So now both royals feel the need to do something except one actually does it. He is rather justified because his father is old.

Point taken - Feige: Today, pre-Civil War, post-Ultron I think he and his father are saying, ‘A bunch of vibranium just got out of here and wreaked a lot of havoc. Maybe we can’t stay behind these borders anymore, maybe we have to stick our heads out and make at least an attempt to be a part of the rest of the world right now, while at the same time protecting our people.’ That’s sort of where we meet him in Civil War.

Based on the source material T'achala is always watching events around the world, even those which may not appear directly relevant to Wakanda; he's always trying to determine their true purpose. He considers this knowledge as his primary weapon in defending his country.

Once aware of a threat, he’ll formulate a plan to counter it, manipulating or directing whoever he needs in play to do so. When he preps he PREPS all the way up to Galactus.

Secondly, he is first and foremost a warrior-king, living in a complicated and morally unclear world. He often puts the interests of his country above any other moral consideration. He's more a trickster than a negotiator, and more a strategist than a politician.

Lastly, the mask he wears is ceremonial, therefore he isn't a superhero in the sense as Captain America.

T'achala becomes Black Panther after T'achaka dies, which sounds different in live action because T'achala dons the regalia while T'achaka is still alive. Feige said "it is a role that he is still in the beginning phases of taking on, it’s a mantle he is only beginning to take on because his father is older." The origin of T'achala the Black Panther does not happen all at once. It's a process. He isn't the fully realized Black Panther we know of. Baby steps.

However, T'achala hasn't been steadily written enough for these to stick. This is just the broad generalization of him through decades of comics.

edited 22nd Aug '15 5:28:45 AM by xbimpy

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#41516: Aug 22nd 2015 at 5:55:43 AM

Given how Ant Man's after-credits scene had Wilson recommending Rogers that they get Scott, would that have taken place before the ending?

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#41517: Aug 22nd 2015 at 6:22:48 AM

Doesn't seem that way. There's no indication that that scene was happening during the events of Ant Man.

It's plausible though.

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#41518: Aug 22nd 2015 at 6:23:13 AM

If I'm correct that's just a scene the Russos shot for Civil War, and Feige thought it would work as the stinger. So it takes place after Ant-Man's ending.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#41519: Aug 22nd 2015 at 7:57:03 AM

But didn't Luis' story in the ending mention the fact Wilson was looking for Scott?

Also, would ditching all the jokes pertaining to the name "Ant-Man" from the film itself have been done to make the film a bit more serious?

edited 22nd Aug '15 7:59:31 AM by HallowHawk

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41520: Aug 22nd 2015 at 8:01:27 AM

The incident with Sam looking for Scott isn't necessarily the same incident alluded to in the post-credits. It could be Sam looks for him just to talk things out, hence why at a later date, he's willing to go ask him for help during the Civil War.

Sam would likely be looking for him regardless since ya know, he robbed the Avengers HQ.

edited 22nd Aug '15 8:09:47 AM by comicwriter

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41522: Aug 22nd 2015 at 8:35:11 AM

[up] The trailer's probably dropping sometime in the fall.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41523: Aug 22nd 2015 at 8:44:07 AM

Probably with whatever Disney is putting out then.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41524: Aug 22nd 2015 at 8:50:30 AM

After everyone talking about what was shown at D23, I have kind of lost interest in the trailer. I guess I will get excited again when the time for the movie rolls around.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#41525: Aug 22nd 2015 at 8:51:17 AM

Probably attached to Star Wars.


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