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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41326: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:51:00 AM

AOS can easily explain it that way, but the fact still remains that AOS introduced a plot point and the films ignored it because it was inconvenient. So now AOS has to deal with that, while the films don't have a problem with it.

Whedon intentionally did the same thing with AOU.

Essentially, the tv shows are currently "tie-in comics" rank in terms of continuity. In the universe, but treated as more supplemental.

edited 20th Aug '15 10:53:01 AM by KnownUnknown

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41327: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:52:37 AM

JJ is basically the adult version of Ellie from Last of Us except mix superhero tropes far more psychological pandering that crates some angst and Luke Cage's relationship into the mix

edited 20th Aug '15 10:52:59 AM by xbimpy

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#41328: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:52:57 AM

@Nervmeister: I would actually have been fine with giving the Sentry this treatment. Funny because Killian post- time skip actually kinda look like the Sentry physically^^

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41329: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:53:33 AM

What exactly did AOS introduce for HYDRA that the films ignored?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41330: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:55:06 AM

But that why, say, while AOS had it that all of HYDRA's hierarchy was eradicated in one day except for Strucker and eventually Ward's ragtag group, Ant-Man then came along and casually had a random HYDRA bigwig be a minor antagonist.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41331: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:55:35 AM

[up][up] Winter Soldier already made it clear Hydra is a lot bigger than we know of. Remember Rumlow was taken away. There was no connection between that action and Strucker, which implies more Hydra heads were out there, while Strucker was put on the top poroirty list for Coulson's team and Avengers to take down.

When Cross said "these Hydra agents aren't the "same" ones" that can imply they work for Zemo, who opporates way differently if it happens or they were picked up by Ward or he was just blinded by insansity.

Civil War says a whole new powerful enemy as the villain. I would say there is a difference between Zola's modern hydra and Skulls though what would make Zemo so different from the modern one in order to be considered powerful and new?

edited 20th Aug '15 11:01:41 AM by xbimpy

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#41332: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:55:44 AM

For Jessica Jones, I'm expecting "Veronica Mars with superpowers".
That's what I want.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41333: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:55:48 AM

I still wanna think that there's a possibility that the cast members from Daredevil or Jessica Jones could appear in an episode of AOS in the same special guest status as Cobie Smulders and Jamie Alexander when they appeared as Maria Hill and Sif respectively in the show.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41334: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:57:48 AM

I have no clue what to expect from Jessica Jones.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41335: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:57:54 AM

'"Funny because Killian post- time skip actually kinda look like the Sentry physically^^"'

lol. I was thinking the exact same thing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41336: Aug 20th 2015 at 10:58:26 AM

[up]*5: The AOS storyline in question takes place well after Winter Soldier, and in fact includes its fallout.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:01:15 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41337: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:00:55 AM

I don't like Tony removing the arc reactor because, well, I like it if actions have consequences which stick. I don't need characters to die (because then they are gone unless you bring them back which goes pretty much against consequences which stick unless bringing them back involves brain washing and a metallic arm), but I hate it when the writers just reverse something. Tony getting rid of the arc reactor felt like a cop out. It was his consequence, and while I don't mind him retiring, I certainly do mind him being able to close a giant hole in his chest at will.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41338: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:06:47 AM

comicwriter

Well team Coulson, aka now called Secert Warriors, has been fighting a whole different group of Hydra agents. Tony is unable to learn Hydra has been dabbling in horrific human experiments. the films can not recognize it because team Coulson is unknown to any Avenger. Only Maria Hill and Fury. Team Coulson must contuionsuly act on the down low so threats are contained. Lucky the Avenegers are only concerned with things team Coulson can't handle. Plus they have far bigger egos. however this cant go on for too long before things really go out of control. The Avengers and Fury won't be there next time... having that over reliance will bite back

edited 20th Aug '15 11:13:56 AM by xbimpy

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#41339: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:11:16 AM

I really, really hope Civil War won't kill off Baron Zemo so that they can set up the Thunderbolts somewhere down the line...

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41340: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:15:02 AM

he said he signed a multi contract deal didnt he. plus i dont see much screen time he can get without making a big impact... look at me im pulling all the strings and bam dead. yea no

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41341: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:18:38 AM

Though he's probably going to die in Civil War, I hope Crossbones survives too so he can be Zemo's dragon in future appearances.

Like, maybe if they do the Thunderbolts, he's the only member who stays evil and loyal to Zemo after the Heel–Face Turn - so he finally meets his end at the hands of the former villains.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:19:33 AM by KnownUnknown

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41342: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:18:44 AM

rumor says spiderman fights captain america. hnmmm interesting cap never fought against someone agile like that

edited 20th Aug '15 11:24:34 AM by xbimpy

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41343: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:19:31 AM

[up][up]But that means lost screentime for Loki....

[up]As long as they show what actually happens when a man who's "peak human" goes up against someone who's blatantly meta in stats and has combat precog ontop of it all.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:26:10 AM by nervmeister

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#41344: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:26:28 AM

@Swanpride: Pretty valid point. There is also the fact that if he could remove it THAT easily, why didn't he do it before? There was literally no reason for him to keep it in his chest, especially since Age of Ultron shows he didn't need to keep it in his chest to keep using his armors anyway.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#41345: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:30:06 AM

[up][up]We really don't know how strong MCU Spider-Man is going to be, and he's only going to have been Spider-Man for a year tops and might not even have fully functional webshooters at this point.

Captain America is going to have the advantage of experience, plus his everything proof Shield. Spider-Man might be able to last longer against Captain America then any inexperienced teenager has any right to, but I can't see him winning without them upping his strength beyond what the previous films showed.

AOS is still part of the MCU, though. I mean, it's not "less real". I mean, in terms of the movies and the Netflix shows, it's less important, but it's not any less real.

When I said "real deal" I meant an actual terrogen bomb going off that activates all Inhuman descendants across the entire planet. The Terrogen contamination of sea life is only going to activate a very small percentage of potential Inhumans. Enough for the show to play around with, but not enough to substantially change what an actual terrogen bomb going off means. It's not about levels of canon or what's more real.

Generally the way I see it is that maybe one in a million people in the MCU have some sort of superpower. The Terrogen contaminated sea life might up that to one in a quarter million. A dramatic uptick in relative terms, but still low enough that the average person is neither acquainted with anyone with superpowers nor knows anyone who is. But a real terrogen bomb could up that to one in a thousand, which would dramatically change day to day life in the MCU.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:50:19 AM by Falrinn

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#41346: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:32:16 AM

[up]The heart injury is necessary for Tony's origin story and character development into the better man he is today, but not necessary for his continuing to be Iron Man. And maybe, he kept it in for as long as he did because, a. He wanted to as a constant reminder/motivation (Kind of like how Dr. Doom refuses to fix his face despite having the means and know-how to) or b. The doctors told him the surgery was ultra risky and that living with the arc reactor in his chest for the rest of his life was a sound alternative.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:37:50 AM by nervmeister

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41347: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:32:52 AM

well this spiderman is just a kid who should have recently gotten his powers, so cap should have the upper hand when it comes to tactics. peter is only limited by his abilities and science. well i dont see how much an untrained peter can toe to toe with this steve unless he spams webs or simply overpowers

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41348: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:35:44 AM

[up][up] IM and Tony are one and the same. that was the point of IM 3's conclusion. it was the direct answer to cap's question in avengers.

steve: take away the suit what are you?

tony: im the funny guy.

im3 tony: ok im me, a serious superhero for all seriousness. no more games. suit or no suit. reactor or no reactor. mansion or no mansion. avengers or no avengers.

im doesnt matter anymore. just tony stark does. he is his own legacy.

originally in Tales of Suspense Tony never had anything in his chest but later on new ideas came forth. for a while it hasnt meant anything powerful other than a reminder of how much his life can suck. most importantly it just acts as a generic plot device that gets annoying over time

edited 20th Aug '15 11:48:26 AM by xbimpy

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#41349: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:40:04 AM

@nervmeister and xbimpy: Yeah, I kinda got that, the movie wasn't exactly subtle about that part of the message. But how does that answer my question? I asked why he didn't remove it before if he could do it all along, not why he removed it. Because while him wanting to remove it is understandable regardless of when it happens, there was literally no reason for him to keep it in the first and second movies if removing it was so easy all along (ESPECIALLY since in the second movie that thing was killing him). Or are you trying to tell me science wasn't advanced enough in the first two movies to do it? Because I don't buy it a single minute.

edited 20th Aug '15 11:42:59 AM by Theokal3

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41350: Aug 20th 2015 at 11:42:58 AM

Spider-man has the strength of a spider. Meaning that he is way stronger than his body would suggest. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he is the strongest of all the heroes save for the Hulk, even though he doesn't look that way.

[up]Yeah, that's the other issue I have with this. Honestly, those last five minutes were what mostly ruined Iron Man 3 before me. What came beforehand was not great, but it wasn't bad either. But then this happened...

edited 20th Aug '15 11:44:33 AM by Swanpride


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