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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#41101: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:11:52 PM

[up][up]Can they? Universal have their own "Marvel Land" in the Island of Adventure. I mean, clearly the rights are not the same as the movie rights, since Universal seems to have everything, but I am not terrible sure Disney could if they wanted.

[nja]

edited 17th Aug '15 1:12:08 PM by Heatth

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41102: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:13:45 PM

[up][up][up]You do realize that there is a Hulk-buster at Universal, right? And a Spiderman roller coaster? I wouldn't be surprised if the use of the Marvel names in those parks is yet another tangled rights issue. Which would explain why Disney decided to open the first attraction of this kind on the other side of the world where there is no exclusivity clause which can get in their way. [nja]

edited 17th Aug '15 1:14:34 PM by Swanpride

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#41103: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:14:56 PM

To be fair, the Red Skull DID come back in the modern day in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon (and probably the comics, too), which made me think he'd be in Winter Soldier. But then, he didn't get zapped by a super powerful space artifact in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41104: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:25:09 PM

So there's a lot of stuff in the general MCU character page that's either unconfirmed or has either been copypasted from the comic-book versions of certain characters. Anybody want to remove some of it until it's actually confirmed?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41105: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:25:51 PM

You do realize that there is a Hulk-buster at Universal, right? And a Spiderman roller coaster?

I did not know that. That just brings up more questions, however: we know that Universal was the distributor for Incredible Hulk and will be the distributor for any future Hulk movies (which is probably why none are being made), so perhaps there was some sort of deal with Marvel?

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#41106: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:26:12 PM

The Islands of Adventure rides even changed a little. Doc Ock in the Spider-Man ride is wearing a trenchcoat like his movie version/the comics when they were doing what the movie did.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41107: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:34:21 PM

Anybody want to remove some of it until it's actually confirmed?

I just removed a ton of stuff. There was even stuff there that was hidden that it just seemed someone was waiting until information came to light before unhiding it.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#41108: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:35:44 PM

[up][up][up]It is not just the Hulk. There are also a Spider-Man, a Doctor Doom and a Storm ride. Furthermore, the whole region is themed after marvel comic books heroes, and there is a parade with people characters of the comic franchise (I remember Captain America, Wolverine and Spider-Man, but there are others).

I don't what the deal is, but clearly the park rights are separated from the movie rights.

edited 17th Aug '15 1:35:57 PM by Heatth

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41109: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:03:47 PM

Someone should make a movie about the theme park about the characters. BUT WHO HAS THE RIGHTS?

Oh no I've gone cross-eyed.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41110: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:06:10 PM

Disney acquired Marvel after Universal had already built Marvel Land, and they worked out some kind of deal that allowed Universal to still do stuff with Marvel Land despite it being a Disney property now.

Also, they didn't just give Doc Ock a trenchcoat on the Spider-Man ride, they also added a Stan Lee cameo. tongue

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41111: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:14:42 PM

So there's a lot of stuff in the general MCU character page that's either unconfirmed or has either been copypasted from the comic-book versions of certain characters. Anybody want to remove some of it until it's actually confirmed?

Anything in particular?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41112: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:21:13 PM

Some stuff to do with information on Black Panther and Dr. Strange, as well as some stuff about Iron Fist and the MCU version of Spidey.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41113: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:35:48 PM

People jumping the gun basically.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41114: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:52:39 PM

I notice that happens a lot with characters we know are coming but whom haven't actually appeared - throwing in a bunch of general tropes based on their comics versions in lieu of actual cinematic universe tropes. Before Ultron came out, iirc people were doing that with Quicksilver and Witch, and I think people also do it with the heroes who are going to appear in Batman V Superman.

edited 17th Aug '15 2:53:12 PM by KnownUnknown

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#41115: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:54:03 PM

People like to use our trope pages to both gush and complain about upcoming works, even though our Administrivia pages explicitly state not to do that.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41116: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:22:25 PM

Remember when a bunch of people were all "QUICKSILVER AND SCARLET WITCH ARE GOING TO BE INHUMANS!"

And then that turned out not to be the case and then they were all "BUT THEY COULD STILL BE INHUMANS!"

But they never were.

edited 17th Aug '15 3:22:37 PM by alliterator

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#41117: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:56:24 PM

[up]What is amazing is that the Inhumans themselves turned out to be pretty much what people were expecting them to be: the MCU version of mutants.

edited 17th Aug '15 3:56:39 PM by Heatth

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#41118: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:04:06 PM

[up]True.

Anyway, the main problem with Red Skull returning isn't really how they would justify his return (they have gone through worse things to make fit in the MCU), but more the actor. Hugo Weaving has been rather clear he wasn't interested in returning, due to the prosthetics making him rather uncomfortable.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#41119: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:17:15 PM

In the hypothetical scenario that has Pierce as the Red Skull they could just use his actor instead.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41120: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:19:19 PM

I'll say this much: Hugo Weaving not returning is the last reason for the Red Skull not to come back.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41121: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:26:13 PM

If they bring back the Red Skull, I think they should make him more monstrous. The First Avenger Red Skull had a hammy B-movie charm to him, in something more serious like The Winter Soldier he'd look as out of place as if Groot had walked in there. And his evil plan felt safely non-horrific because A Million Is a Statistic. But in The Winter Soldier comic, he becomes something akin to Captain America's Joker, where the real fear is not "can Captain America punch him out this time" but "where's his twisted plan leading us and where's his next massacre about to be". And his design also turned more nightmarish, with exposed teeth and sunken skin.

TLDR: returning Red Skull should turn from the Nicholson Joker into the Ledger Joker.

edited 17th Aug '15 4:26:26 PM by Tuckerscreator

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#41122: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:27:02 PM

[up]x4 I don't think it would be a problem to recast the role since the character is so makeup heavy anyways and any changes to his voice/appearance can be written off as a result of the fact we haven't seen him for 70 years.

Plus the MCU isn't above just blatantly switching actors without even attempting an in-story justification and have already done so twice.

edited 17th Aug '15 4:27:21 PM by Falrinn

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41124: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:13:00 PM

Falcon and Bucky trying to catch that plane. Then Falcon remembers he can fly and poor Bucky has to wait for the next flight.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#41125: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:24:51 PM

No they're racing for the position of Steve's best buddy forever.


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