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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#41077: Aug 17th 2015 at 10:53:24 AM

Whose to say Red Skull wasn't transported forty-five years into the future and then took forty-five years to get back?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#41078: Aug 17th 2015 at 10:57:06 AM

The point is, I can match bullshit with bullshit, so you don't have much of an argument.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41079: Aug 17th 2015 at 10:58:09 AM

Being frozen is way simpler and easier to understand. Being teleported back and forth through time and space and other planets is more complicated. They didn't even have to say Steve was frozen in The First Avenger; it was easy enough to figure out by implication.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41080: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:15:04 AM

red skull was transported into space. just say where and whos he been hanging out with. pretty simple. he can be like Charnel. merged with some cosmic enininty or power. or perhaps thanons found him like loki. or he found his way onto w/e planet and started building a new hydra army. or went into another universe

edited 17th Aug '15 11:19:10 AM by xbimpy

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41082: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:36:23 AM

[up]Aw, why can't we Americans have nice things? sad

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#41083: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:38:11 AM

Our sins run too deep.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#41084: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:39:49 AM

We're getting two Star Wars Lands. I think we can survive without an Iron Man Experience.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#41085: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:42:46 AM

Cap only needed bullshit to make up for the time gap.

The Red Skull needs bullshit for the time gap, the fact that he arrived somewhere survivable, the fact that he was able to return, and the fact that he was able to become a dangerous threat again, as opposed to a 100-year-old Nazi pooping himself and babbling incoherently in an alien wheelchair.

It's not just a matter of coming up with a way to bring him back. It's matter of coming up with enough ways to solve all the different problems of bringing him back that by the time he returns, the Earth should just surrender because God himself clearly went out of his way to restore him to prominence. The sheer number of Contrived Coincidences that would be required to make the Red Skull a threat again after First Avenger would strain credibility beyond its breaking point.

As a general rule, if a character requires three or more separate instances of Deus ex Machina to be established before he can even enter the story at all, this is maybe not a good character for use.

edited 17th Aug '15 11:45:32 AM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#41086: Aug 17th 2015 at 11:54:39 AM

yes, yes, it "strains credibility" in a movie universe where talking tree aliens exist, BUT IT WOULD BE COOL AS HELL.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#41087: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:00:00 PM

So yesterday, I decided to skip straight to the 11th Doctor last night on Netflix.

Now I'm stuck wondering how they can use Matt Smith on the MCU.

...MCU!Reed Richards?

(Dodges a petrol bomb.)

Yup, should've known it was Too Soon. tongue

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#41088: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:00:59 PM

[up][up] It really wouldn't be.

It's an awful lot of work just to reintroduce a one-dimensional Evil Nazi with zero character depth, no interesting powers or abilities, and - at this point in time - no political connections, minions, or grandiose plans to achieve his one-dimensional Evil Nazi goals.

The Red Skull has served his purpose, been definitively and irrevocably defeated, and has nothing left of value to offer the MCU.

edited 17th Aug '15 12:03:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41089: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:02:25 PM

I suspect there won't be a Marvel Land in America anytime soon because I bet that a lot of the rights for those kind of things are with other Themeparks. *sigh*

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41090: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:04:36 PM

Easy way to reintroduce Red Skull to MCU: Have a TV show where they are space explorers. The happen upon a planet where criminals are put into stasis instead of typical jails. Shocking pre-commerical break reveal cliffhanger, Red Skull is one of those prisoners! SG-1 now must figure out what to do.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#41091: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:06:25 PM

Answer: Leave him there. Some dipshit with no political power or ability to do anything more dangerous than shaking his fist at the sky and raging about how Captain America defeated him, locked in stasis a billion light years from Earth, is utterly harmless and will never be a threat to anyone again.

edited 17th Aug '15 12:06:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41092: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:07:22 PM

Though it would be kind of interesting if the Got G encounter a planet and it turns out that this is the place where the Red Scull ended up and he actually left a mark on it in one way or another.

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#41093: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:10:13 PM

How?

Guys, the Red Skull is not a Hulk. He cannot fly through space shooting planet-busting lasers at warships. His only true strength is his role as the visionary leader of Hydra. He is a political threat, not a physical one.

Being decapitated from his Army of Doom, the Red Skull is effectively permanently depowered. All that's left to him is Captain America levels of physical ability, and that's not enough to threaten a planet.

edited 17th Aug '15 12:11:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41094: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:20:53 PM

I have to agree all this talk about the Red Skull coming back in anyway is strange.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41095: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:22:17 PM

How did we even get on this topic.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#41097: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:25:11 PM

there are plenty of aliens who would rally up with any competent life form out there. plus hes a supervliian so conveniences are automatically okay for him. we dont need lengthily exposition to say how he got there much like Loki. they both went into unknown space except one was pulled out by one of the MCU's super bosses. the tesseract opens portals and the Other said not only to Earth but far greater places. just say Red Skull fell into one of those places. he found some power and therefore is still alive. not that hard. theres a million ways you can reason it without going over 1 sentence per way. for example do something with power cosmic: he died but his connicsouion fused with the natural energy of the universe. its a comicbook guys just handwave. the MCU did far wackier things off the spot.

edited 17th Aug '15 12:46:21 PM by xbimpy

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#41098: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:26:12 PM

[up]Nothing prevents him from building a new army and become a real threat again.

Also, about above: personally I think Matt Smith as MCU!Reed Richards would be awesome^^

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41099: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:06:55 PM

I suspect there won't be a Marvel Land in America anytime soon because I bet that a lot of the rights for those kind of things are with other Themeparks.

Huh? Why would their rights be with other theme parks? Marvel sold off the movie rights to some of their properties, but that's all. Disney can totally make attractions with the X-Men and Fantastic Four if they wanted to, although they probably won't.

ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#41100: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:10:18 PM

There are Marvel rides at Universal Studios.

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