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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41051: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:01:45 PM

Really, if none of the other Avengers turn up in a movie, everyone complains "and where were the others when this went down". But if they are included, it is not okay either?

That actually wasn't a joke, I've heard it called that and accept it. Using a brand to compliment the greater, overall picture - in this case - I can agree with.

One of my complaints with certain films is why there isn't a passing nod to the other heroes.

Or, being honest, I'm the side that complains "where were the others when this shit went down" so, I'm more than happy with Civil War being A 2.5. Just, as long as it doesn't collapse under its own weight by introducing Spider Man, Panther, and whoever else was in Civil War.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#41052: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:09:07 PM

I'm beginning to see the argument for Masters of Evil, now. It may be the only way to create a compelling fight for all involved without making it so that they're all fighting the same damn thing.

The whole issue of the Mook Army is that it's hard to give everyone on the heroic side something to do while still making the bad guys look like a threat. Avengers 1 handled it very well by making sure Hawkeye and Black Widow weren't directly in the action, but then AOU had them shredding through Ultron's bodies like they were tissue paper.

edited 16th Aug '15 7:09:22 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41053: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:32:17 PM

I've always thought Widow and to a lesser extent Hawkeye are just not front-line combatants - their optimal part of the plot shouldn't be to be mowing down mooks alongside Iron Man and Hulk, but having other but no less important roles that actually utilize their skills.

Widow in particular had her abilities kind of wasted in Ultron in contrast to Avengers 1, which made sure her abilities as a spy and interrogator were at the forefront of her role in the story.

edited 16th Aug '15 7:32:30 PM by KnownUnknown

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#41054: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:34:36 PM

The Red Skull could work. We don't actually know he died, right?

If he wasn't outright vaporized, he was uncontrollably teleported to any possible location in the universe.

Which may or may not have been habitable or even a planet.

Which, even if it were, would probably not be a very hospitable place to some random alien who burst into existence there.

And then seventy years passed.

Point is, it would take a lot of bullshit to bring back the Red Skull as a threat.

edited 16th Aug '15 7:34:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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#41055: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:34:38 PM

While Hawkeye has low DPS but is a good team coordinator, shown in Avengers 1.

That being said, I liked that he got to kick more ass in AOU.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#41056: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:41:17 PM

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I tend to think he's not coming back, given that Robert Redford's character in Winter Soldier was sort of a combination of Alexander Pierce from the comics, "Dell Rusk" and Aleksander Lukin.

And given that Film!Pierce is sort of a Well-Intentioned Extremist, it seems like when they had the chance to use the Skull they decided not to, because they wanted their "secretly evil character" to have a bit more nuance.

Basically, they had the story where the Red Skull was used in the equivalent comic story and they decided not to use him.

edited 16th Aug '15 7:42:05 PM by Hodor2

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#41057: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:42:41 PM

Kid Loki, maybe.

How exactly did that happen in the comics?

Loki sacrificed himself and saved Asgard during the events of the Crisis Crossover Siege. He set it up so he could reborn as an innocent kid, without the memories of his old life.

The movie could pretty much do the exact same thing, if they wanted. What ultimately caused Loki to sacrifice himself would change, of course, but the essence would be the same. Of course, they could also change Loki's motivation.

edited 16th Aug '15 7:44:38 PM by Heatth

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#41058: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:42:51 PM

I think they had the perfect chance to bring him back as Pierce. If they didn't do that he probably isn't coming back.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41059: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:43:29 PM

"Huh? 1) Bruce agreed on making Ultron, so it's his own damn fault, too. 2) Yes, he blames Wanda, but not enough to attack everyone else. 3) Black Widow "kicking out"? What? You mean her pushing him down so that he would become the Hulk? Because I'm pretty sure he doesn't blame her for that, he knows she had to do it, but ran away anyway."

1) Yeah but Ultron was tony idea, the one who take the specter and use it them deciding bulding another damn super robot is best,idea,ever and he go away with it 2) just for a moment and again Wanda manage to get in the team after all it happen 3) I was talking in general, how is natasha who in part drag him to shiled in Avenger 1 then kick him after she open to him, I dont said he was anything against her...but with shield and everyone else related

About Red skull is like the mandarin, a villian born of a silly concept(and uber nazi) HYDRA is more abstract as a concept an can be used without problem, Red skull? meh

edited 16th Aug '15 7:45:35 PM by unknowing

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41061: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:48:27 PM

I think bringing Red Skull back as Pierce would have been kinda silly. Aside from going against part of the "anybody could be an enemy, not just demonic-looking Nazi guys" message, we also already got Zola back. Bringing both back in the same film would not only be repetitive and convoluted, but reduce the effect.

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#41062: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:52:08 PM

Also that whichever kid would play Kid Loki will inevitably be older by the next installment.

That is not even a problem. In the comics, Kid Loki have since become Teen Loki anyways.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#41063: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:53:56 PM

Loki can shapeshift anyway- just justify any changes with "He wanted to look different that day"

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41064: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:56:54 PM

That's a bit of a difficult pill to make moviegoers swallow.

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#41065: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:57:37 PM

It might be nice to see Kid Loki age in real time rather than casting a spell to abruptly become Teen Loki.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#41066: Aug 16th 2015 at 8:30:56 PM

1) Yeah but Ultron was tony idea, the one who take the specter and use it them deciding bulding another damn super robot is best,idea,ever and he go away with it

Okay, I'm assuming you mean "scepter." And yes, it was Tony's idea to make another robot...which worked completely and gave us the Vision. So Bruce wouldn't really be the mad about it.

2) just for a moment and again Wanda manage to get in the team after all it happen

So? He would still only be mad at Wanda, not everyone else.

3) I was talking in general, how is natasha who in part drag him to shiled in Avenger 1 then kick him after she open to him, I dont said he was anything against her...but with shield and everyone else related

Huh? I still don't get it. Sure, she brought him into the Avengers. She didn't kick him out. He left on his own. Do you mean that she kicked him when he was down? How? She didn't do anything of the sort. They just needed the Hulk and Bruce didn't want to become the Hulk anymore. He left because he knew that if he stuck around he would eventually become the Hulk again and he didn't want that to happen, not after losing control.

Loki can shapeshift anyway- just justify any changes with "He wanted to look different that day"

The best thing ever would be if Loki turned into Cat Thor for an entire movie. Just, you know, Thor with a giant cat head.

Do it, Marvel. DOOOO IT.

edited 16th Aug '15 8:31:22 PM by alliterator

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#41067: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:41:23 PM

Just do extreme Dawson Casting and have Hiddleston play all the Lokis.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41068: Aug 16th 2015 at 11:25:49 PM

Does TH have the usual six movie contract the other actors have? If yes, Marvel would be crazy not to use him as long as possible. If his contract is even longer, well, I am sure adult Loki will stick around on earth while Thor is back in Asgard.

But if TH has ended, Kid Loki is a great variant to keep the character around, provided that they find a young actor who can pull him off. This way they can give Hiddleston a break for a while until they can convince him to come back.

Concerning Thanos...depending on which stones he has, he could theoretically plug every villain he wants out of the time-stream, and he could mind control every Avenger who is unlucky enough to come too close to him.

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#41069: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:04:46 AM

Insulin... *dies*

edited 17th Aug '15 12:05:15 AM by Tuckerscreator

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#41072: Aug 17th 2015 at 12:45:28 AM

[up][up][up][up] He could do that...but if the original Infinith Gauntlet series is anything to go by, he probably wouldn't - where's the fun in that?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#41073: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:51:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSAp-QCHj_A

Just want to throw that one in....it made me love "The Avengers" all over again (and put it back into the top three of my personal list).

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#41074: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:26:01 AM

Does anyone wish someone would take Cap to Epcot so he could mockingly "see the future"?

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#41075: Aug 17th 2015 at 10:51:24 AM

If he wasn't outright vaporized, he was uncontrollably teleported to any possible location in the universe.

Which may or may not have been habitable or even a planet.

Which, even if it were, would probably not be a very hospitable place to some random alien who burst into existence there.

And then seventy years passed.

Point is, it would take a lot of bullshit to bring back the Red Skull as a threat.

Because being frozen in a glacier for about seventy years is obviously much more realistic. That sort of thing happens just tons of times.

edited 17th Aug '15 10:51:39 AM by HextarVigar

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