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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#40951: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:59:22 PM

...how is it a Director's Cut if the Director doesn't Cut it?

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#40952: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:00:45 PM

A not-the-director's-cut extended edition would be nice, yeah.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#40953: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:01:13 PM

Movies generally have multiple directors don't they?

And, I mean, I'm gonna just assume that not every director's cut was literally cut by the director.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#40954: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:01:34 PM

Luckily, Ant-Man strongly reaffirmed my love for the MCU. I'm hoping Civil War will be better than Age of Ultron because the story will be more centralized on a single protagonist (Cap) with the other Avengers being more like extended cameos.

And Infinity War is gonna be in two parts, so I'll be shocked if it feels as rushed as Age of Ultron. And then after Infinity War, I wouldn't mind if the MCU moved on the focusing on other parts of its universe besides the Avengers.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40955: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:04:31 PM

[up][up]I was under the impression most didn't, except when you have something like "The Wachowski Brothers" in the title. Usually the credits will show "DIRECTOR: Smitty Wermenyengensen" and no one else.

Fant4stic

So, I guess this is like "Donte" then. Or is this an actual shorthand for the group in general, not just the recent film?

edited 15th Aug '15 1:05:02 PM by Soble

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#40956: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:05:06 PM

Oh my god how many times are we going to have this conversation about how this one poster did not like Age of Ultron.

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#40957: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:05:34 PM

Most movies are usually attributed to one director, but I'm pretty sure that's just Hollywood being shitty and general auteur garbage, and not how it actually works.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#40958: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:06:00 PM

I still don't get the argument that Age of Ultron was too convuluted. Maybe it's because, when I saw the first Avengers movie, the only other MCU film I'd seen was Iron Man 2, I just took it as a given that there were going to be a lot of characters and situations that I wouldn't know the background for.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40959: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:13:38 PM

[up][up][up][up] It's because the official logo for the film literally says Fant4stic. They put the 4 in place of the second "A" and all. It's still supposed to be read as Fantastic Four but that's what it says.

edited 15th Aug '15 1:14:07 PM by AlleyOop

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40960: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:15:50 PM

...well, I guess I'll accept that. Shame, because that's not a bad shorthand.

I still don't get the argument that Age of Ultron was too convuluted. Maybe it's because, when I saw the first Avengers movie, the only other MCU film I'd seen was Iron Man 2, I just took it as a given that there were going to be a lot of characters and situations that I wouldn't know the background for.

I'd hotly disagree that AOU was hard to follow or all that complex (any more than Episode V or VI would be if you skipped Episode IV), but I take it this has come up before.

[down]And I'd asked this before, but what was/would be in the Director's Cut that was taken out of the movie?

edited 15th Aug '15 1:18:26 PM by Soble

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40961: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:17:45 PM

Na, Age of Ultron wasn't convoluted, there was just a lot going on...too much story for the time available. Which is why I really want an extended cut. With or without director.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40962: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:26:42 PM

Yeah. I didn't find AOU confusing. The problem was it had too much going on and not enough time spent on developing them, which is a pacing issue.

By the way did the reports of what the Civil War trailer is about prove the post on Leddit wrong? I didn't get a chance to see it before it was deleted.

edited 15th Aug '15 1:48:25 PM by AlleyOop

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#40963: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:30:28 PM

Oh my god how many times are we going to have this conversation about how this one poster did not like Age of Ultron.

Well, I don't actually want to rant about why I dislike the movie for the umpteenth time. I was just trying to explain why making Redwing a live bird instead of a robot was a bad idea by comparing it what I perceive as similar issues with Age of Ultron (i.e. having too many disconnected ideas crammed into one short movie for no other reason than to adhere to the comics)

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
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#40964: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:35:55 PM

They should have a down time scene where the Avengers are just chilling and Sam is talking to his pet bird.

And Hawkeye or whatever goes 'you look like a crazy cat lady. Except with birds.'

And then Redwing goes -BIRD NOISES- and Sam says 'He is kind of a dick, huh?'

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#40965: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:37:50 PM

I don't care about adhering to the comics, personally. I just think Hawkeye talking to birds would be funny.

Apparently that's not allowed though so whatever

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#40966: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:38:25 PM

And I'd asked this before, but what was/would be in the Director's Cut that was taken out of the movie?

It's confirmed at least the Thor pool scene would have been longer and had these water spirits speak through him to Selvig. There's rumors of an alternate ending, perhaps the twins settling their grudge with Tony, and we know that Captain Marvel would have been on the team at the end instead of Scarlet Witch.

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#40967: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:39:01 PM

Falcon?

AND THEN LATER

"Sam, how'd you know I was in trouble?"
"Redwing told me"
"This is a really weird running gag"
-Redwing looks directly at Hawkeye and makes bird noises-

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40968: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:39:44 PM

...pretty sure Stark would get owned if Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver double-teamed him. Unless this was during the VERONICA fight scene which, admittedly, did seem to have a rushed conclusion. I mean, like Stark actually managed to knock Hulk unconscious.

My issue with Captain Marvel appearing is how much time the movie would need to take to completely introduce her, have her receive her powers, and then give her enough characterization to be an established "Avenger". Yeah, Vision got full membership, but still. Carol's origin is a bit more involved, isn't it? And then you'd have to substitute Captain Mar-Vell and the Kree (IIRC) with the Chitauri or something.

edited 15th Aug '15 1:43:58 PM by Soble

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40969: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:40:08 PM

Honestly...I am glad that it is not a real bird. Humans using animals for fight is kind of problematic. If Ant-man already made me slighty uncomfortable in this regard, I don't want to know my reaction to them using a bird.

And, really, how likely is it that Falcon ends up trapped in a well?

edited 15th Aug '15 1:40:48 PM by Swanpride

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#40970: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:40:13 PM

Yeah, I meant Falcon. Hawkeye talking to birds too would be great though.

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#40971: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:41:14 PM

Hawkeye and his fearsome pet cockatoo Tweetums

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#40972: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:44:22 PM

I don't care about adhering to the comics, personally. I just think Falcon talking to birds would be funny. Apparently that's not allowed though so whatever

I'm not against having a character who can talk to animals. It would be funny.

But I don't think Falcon should be that character. Unlike the X-Men movies, the MCU isn't a setting where people can just randomly have superpowers with no explanation (at least until the Terrigen Mist is introduced somewhere besides a spin-off TV show that most moviegoers haven't watched). So unless Falcon gets his own movie where he goes on an adventure and gets superpowers, it's not a subplot we need to waste time having.

Maybe one of the Inhumans in the Inhumans movie could have funny animal-talking powers? That'd probably work better.

edited 15th Aug '15 1:45:35 PM by spashthebandragon

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#40973: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:50:22 PM

Maybe make Falcon's bird a corvid or parrot instead so it can understand and talk back? tongue

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#40974: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:51:07 PM

Inhuman code name: Do Little

"This Inhuman mostly sits around talking to animals all day. What a dork. I asked them to talk whales into sinking ruskie submarines and they just looked at me like 'dude wtf'. Rating: 0." - Nick Fury, Secret Logs. No peeking, Hill.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40975: Aug 15th 2015 at 1:57:14 PM

Yeah, I agree that Falcon talking to actual birds instead of having a high-tech drone (but hopefully one that's not too realistic) would probably require more exposition to handwave than it's worth, plus all the animal ethics issues. Whereas a drone needs none of that and any explanation can be left supplementary materials.

For all the unusual stuff that goes on the MCU is a fairly grounded universe with a slight lean towards scifi. Advanced machinery (which the MCU already has a fair amount of) that matches with Falcon's mechanical wingsuit probably meshes better than the comparatively campier ability to communicate with birds. If it did involve real animals, chances are they'd take the Ant-Man route which would require explaining how he has a special helmet and why he has exclusive access to it when he's a (relatively) ordinary soldier and not a supergenius like his Ultimates counterpart.

edited 15th Aug '15 1:59:19 PM by AlleyOop


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