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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#40926: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:09:33 PM

Saying "weird shit happens in comics" doesn't mean that they never explain the weird shit. And the filmmakers would rather spend two seconds of screen time on "here is a robot bird that Tony made" compared to the several minutes of "here is why a character suddenly has new superpowers."

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#40927: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:11:52 PM

Man, I don't care. I just want Sam to talk to birds. You can give me all the reasons in the world it would make the movie worse and I'd still want that because it's fun.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40928: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:16:32 PM

While I'm not against Sam getting his powers from the Terrigen Fish, It wouldn't be a good idea to force the audience to watch an entire season of television just to get the story on how Sam could get his powers between films.

Basically, they shouldn't have to read a tie in comic to explain a plot-point in the main book.

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#40929: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:18:27 PM

What Very Melon said.

Sam getting his powers from the Terrigen Fish only works if they're willing to explain the Terrigen Fish in the film, so either they detract from the plot by spending time establishing the Terrigen Fish despite the Fish having nothing to do with the story being told here, or it has to happen in a film that's involved with the Terrigen Fish.

edited 15th Aug '15 12:18:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40930: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:19:41 PM

Age of Ultron skewed proper storytelling conventions in favor of being "fun," and that movie was a steaming pile of crap, so I'd really rather not have a repeat of that.

I don't see why a robot bird is any less "fun" than a regular bird, anyways. If anything, a robot bird seems cooler and fits Falcon's military motif better.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40931: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:22:18 PM

Robot Birds are cool, but a Cyborg Bird would be even cooler.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40933: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:24:47 PM

Like that yeah.

Jesus I loved the Silver Hawks as a kid.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#40934: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:25:04 PM

Holy shit why did kid-me never watch that show? It looks amazing.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40936: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:27:03 PM

[up][up]Well, it was like Thundercats...the intro was the best part (I think it was even created by the same guys who did the Thundercats intro). But the show had some potential.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40937: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:27:07 PM

Okay, to be fair, my opinion of Age of Ultron was retroactively raised just by sheer comparison to Fant4stic. It's all relative.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40938: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:33:17 PM

Well, if there is one good thing about F4 than that the movie reminded us how awful Superhero movies can be and how lucky we are now getting all those great ones.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40939: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:37:12 PM

Age of Ultron skewed proper storytelling conventions in favor of being "fun," and that movie was a steaming pile of crap,

I can't be the only person offended by this.

Greatest, richest superhero story? No.

Steaming pile of crap? Not by a long shot.

Argument commence.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#40940: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:44:44 PM

Yeah, Age of Ultron was good. Not as good as the first Avengers or The Winter Soldier, but still good.

edited 15th Aug '15 12:50:36 PM by higherbrainpattern

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#40941: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:48:21 PM

i'm gonna be that guy and say i didn't like the first avengers very much. that was years ago though, i might have to try and watch it again to see how it holds up for me now.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#40942: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:50:44 PM

Age of Ultron is definitely one of my favourite marvel movies.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40943: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:51:17 PM

I think anyone who claims that any MCU move is a "pile of crap" should be forced to watch a marathon consisting of Batman and Robin, Fantastic 4 (all movies), Spiderman 3 and Catwoman.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40944: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:52:12 PM

Like I said, it's all relative. I'm not saying Age of Ultron is the worst superhero movie ever, but it fell well below my expectations of what makes a superhero movie "good." Heck, I liked Incredible Hulk and Thor 2 better because they were also fun movies, and at least they managed to tell simple, coherent stories that didn't devolve into trainwrecks.

Look, I've explained why I don't like Age of Ultron before in this thread, and I really don't feel like doing it over and over. That's just my opinion, and if it "offends" you that I don't like the movie you like, maybe try growing up a little.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#40945: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:53:11 PM

Why does your list include the best Batman Movie ever, and the Spider-Man movie that has the single greatest scene of all Spider-Man movies (granted, it's only one scene, but still)

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40946: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:53:12 PM

I didn't like Winter Soldier all that much, but it's not a pile of crap. You're entitled to an opinion, but calling something a pile of crap is generally an offensive statement.

edited 15th Aug '15 12:54:43 PM by Soble

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#40947: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:54:07 PM

I mean, if it's robo-Redwing or nothing I'll gladly take it and it is probably too late to give him powers so ultimately this is fine. Just give the man more screentime this run round.

People are entitled to their own opinions on film quality. I still enjoyed watching, say, Incredible Hulk and Fant4stic but I don't consider them good movies.

edited 15th Aug '15 12:56:22 PM by TenebrousGaze

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40948: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:54:33 PM

I am not that much into Iron Man (only in the first half of it), but it is still a really good movie.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40949: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:57:24 PM

I'm also very butthurt that we're apparently never getting an Age of Ultron Director's Cut. The movie could really use, like, an extra half hour.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#40950: Aug 15th 2015 at 12:58:05 PM

I'm with you on that.

I get that Whedon doesn't want to do it, but is there really any reason who couldn't ask someone else to?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

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