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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40876: Aug 15th 2015 at 6:42:16 AM

When they talk about Civil War at D23, Tom Holland will make an unexpected appearance in the new Spider-Man costume.

Calling it now.

Speaking of Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield makes peace with how he's not the webhead anymore.

edited 15th Aug '15 6:45:46 AM by TargetmasterJoe

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#40877: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:29:17 AM

To be fair, the "terrorists" in IM 3 were ENTIRELY fake. As in actors, smoke and mirrors used to distract people from Killian's half-brained scheme. So it wouldn't be the same, even if Mandy was simply using a very much real terrorist cell to advance some grander goal and abandon them once he got what he needed.

You're right, it would be stupider.

It's hard if not impossible to write a brilliant villainous mastermind who employs terrorism as his M.O. Terrorism is a sledgehammer used to chip away at an enemy that cannot simply be conquered in the hopes that they'll give up and let you win.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#40878: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:44:01 AM

[up]Now hold on there. If we keep in mind the fact that 616 Mandy is a Social Darwinist and Well-Intentioned Extremist, using terrorist groups to sow conflict may make sense in regards to his possible motive. He could be the polar opposite of HYDRA (which he hates along with SHIELD and other peace-promoting organizations) in that he believes that humanity shouldn't be kept under a restrictive blanket of security but rather continuously tested in "trials by fire" in order to evolve and become better. And in his mind, seeing the birth of all these superbeings and geniuses realizing their talents (eg. Stark's near-death and imprisonment "pushing" him to become Iron Man) only proves him right.

edited 15th Aug '15 7:48:55 AM by nervmeister

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#40879: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:48:07 AM

Sowing conflict that is limited to a part of the world that's already in constant conflict. Job well done?

The greatest international influence the Ten Rings have ever been shown to have is when Killian made them a fake threat to the stability of the United States.

edited 15th Aug '15 7:48:58 AM by TobiasDrake

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#40880: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:51:54 AM

[up]Well, they have been successfully procuring and stockpiling Stark weaponry in the Middle East. Maybe escalation was what Mandy was aiming for before Stark threw a monkey wrench in his plans by blowing it all up with the Mark 1.

edited 15th Aug '15 7:55:03 AM by nervmeister

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#40881: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:57:49 AM

To use on other parts of the Middle East. When we do finally see them get their hands on a Jericho, they take it to Gulmira.

And their master plan for procuring said weapons consisted entirely of buying them from a crooked arms dealer.

Face it, the Ten Rings are the Boba Fett of this franchise. The fandom has built them up to be this terrifying and all-powerful force of global annihilation when, really, they're just some dipshit who got smacked into the Sarlacc Pit by a blind man flailing wildly.

edited 15th Aug '15 8:00:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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#40882: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:00:20 AM

[up]And it was working nicely apparently. As long as they could hide the paper trail, I'd say it was a competent scheme.

And a flailing blind man isnt quite the same as a supergenius who essentially revolutionized mechanics and clean energy as a prisoner.

edited 15th Aug '15 8:03:20 AM by nervmeister

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#40883: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:01:09 AM

It wasn't a scheme at all. It was business as usual for terrorism.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#40884: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:03:54 AM

[up]That's what the Mandarin wants you to think.....

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#40885: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:08:32 AM

No, that's what Killian wants you to think, which is why he covered up a much better plan by disguising it as pointless terrorism. That's the most the Ten Rings can be: a mask for better villains to disguise their activities under.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40886: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:48:36 AM

[up]Mmm....so the Ten Rings could be a mask for the true Mandarin, too?

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#40887: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:31:40 AM

How could you wear rings on your face, silly?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#40888: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:32:26 AM

You could make it so that the Ten Rings are only a small part of the Mandarin enterprise; some regional terrorists he gives support to in case he ever needs someone killed in the area.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40889: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:37:30 AM

"How could you wear rings on your face, silly?"

Hilariously? :p

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#40890: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:49:07 AM

In fairness, comics Mandarin could be a big, dumb impulsive baby

I remember his first Avengers appearance with... fondness?

Where he had Swordsman plant a bomb in Avengers mansion for when Iron Man rejoined the team, got bored, and then ordered Swordsman to set off the bomb that same day.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40891: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:52:08 AM

I did suggest a reimagining a few posts ago, but for the most part it seems to have got lost in the argument that was taking place at the time.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40892: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:29:24 AM

Aw shoot! The D23 presentation on Live Action Disney movies is on in one minute!

Eeeeeeeee!

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40895: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:52:36 AM

"Everyone's big, good looking, and named Chris."

Lol, the joke never gets old.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40896: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:53:26 AM

I hope that they upload the recorded greeting from BC....his vids are usually pretty funny.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40897: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:53:44 AM

They're talking about Doctor Strange!

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40898: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:59:09 AM

Okay, now they're talking about Civil War.

EDIT: With appearances by Anthony Mackie and Chris Evans!

edited 15th Aug '15 11:00:27 AM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#40899: Aug 15th 2015 at 11:01:35 AM

I'm very lucky and excited to be playing Doctor Strange for Marvel," Cumberbatch stated. "He's an extraordinary character and brings in new dimensions to the Marvel Universe. It will be a mind-blowing experience, with girls, cars, explosions, and a bit of astral projecting into multiple dimensions — the usual fare."

A video package follows, narrated by director Scott Derrickson , showing concept art for Doctor Strange. Derrickson hits upon Strange being the "top neuro surgeon in the world," before a car accident "mangles" his hands. Just as in comic books, this leads Strange "on a quest looking for healing — looking to recover — and he meets the Ancient One."

The concept art shows Strange casting spells, pulling on giant chains, and looks like being transported to other dimensions. The concept art shows Strange in his classic red cape, and also briefly shows him fighting what looks to be Baron Mordo.


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