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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I know. It's just that I find it funny on a meta-level. So Darren Cross is a "human" with (surrogate) father issues towards Hank Pym and eventually goes f**king crazy and decides to murder him and everyone associated with him (barring maybe Jan- I mean Hope). Then there's the look of his helmet. So I'm thinking Darren wasn't the real villain the director wanted in his Ant-Man movie, if you get my drift.
edited 11th Aug '15 4:15:09 PM by nervmeister
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Awwww thanks.
Anyways yeah. It seems Darren was essentially the Ultron origin story that some disappointed fans wanted. Only he was flesh and blood. Not machine.
On another note, I was a first upset I didn't sit through all the credits. But 2nd stinger wasn't quite as impactful as the first. So I'll get over it.
edited 11th Aug '15 4:37:04 PM by nervmeister
Darren Cross struck me as the writers/directors going "we need a generic evil executive type, but not any of Ant-Man's few major villains because the villain's role isn't so important in this one. Let's just pick somebody and be done with it."
I still think him being Yellowjacket specifically was a weird decision, though admittedly it's not like there are a whole lot of other Evil Counterparts to Ant-Man floating around the Marvel Universe - and unlike most of the other MCU films that had Evil Counterparts, the plot of this one specifically called for it.
I like the Crosstron nickname^^
@Known Unknown: Personally I stand by the theory that using Yellowjacket (an alias infamous for being the one Pym had at his worst moments) as Cross's supervillain alias was just a nice little Take That, Scrappy! to throw the fans a bone^^ That, and aside from Ultron, Antman never really had that many cool villains, so they did with what they had.
edited 11th Aug '15 5:18:04 PM by Theokal3
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He doesn't, really (most of his enemies are General Marvel villains that have specific arcs and/or relationships with him), but he does at least have an archenemy,
and an obligatory Marvel comics communist villain team / revenge squad.
And then there's himself, of course, but I guess they didn't want to roll that out in the first movie.
Also, Wasp has Whirlwind who is basically her own one man Rogues Gallery.
Addendum: Apparently there is an Evil Counterpart shrinker already in his Rogues Gallery
. Didn't know that one...
edited 11th Aug '15 6:27:00 PM by KnownUnknown
The other closest thing to a major arch enemy Ant-Man has is probably Crossfire
who was set to be the main villain of this group before Edgar Wright left, and he was used as Scott Lang's Arch-Enemy of sorts in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
In the latter they actually updated
◊ his appearance
superbly and I hope it's the look they'd use for him.
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He seems to be undergoing a Rogues' Gallery Transplant as of late, having been an antagonist in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, set to be a main villain in the Ant-Man film, and currently being a secondary villain in the comics as they brought back Darren Cross.
edited 11th Aug '15 8:34:13 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."@nerv: Nah, that was just a trippy effect.
Man, I still love what they did with that. The effect is so perfect.
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If he's teaming up with Darren, it's likely that's through the fact that he and Darren Cross are related - sort of like how Grim Reaper and Wonder Man give each other plot opportunities every once in a while. Even if Wright wanted to put him into it, he isn't a main villain in the Ant-Man film and hasn't been slated for it for a long time.
In fact, it's possible that they changed it in the first place through someone reading the script and realizing that William wasn't the Cross connected to Ant-Man's mythos.
Not that it might not lead to something in the future (a reaction of seeing minor encounter as grounds for an antagonism en masse is how Deathstroke became associated with Green Arrow, for instance, though admittedly DC's been shopping Deathstroke around for ages) but right now I don't really see it.
edited 11th Aug '15 8:43:32 PM by KnownUnknown
Once again, I personally think that Darren Cross was one of the more frightening villains in the MCU due to the lengths he went to, his personality throughout it all, and the many times he passed the Moral Event Horizon ( him liquifying Frank and then flushing the remains down the toilet was one of the most ruthless things I've seen a villain in the MCU commit).
I'm not exactly sure why so many people dislike him, other than his rather generic motive and the like. The execution more than made up for it, and also made for a better Ultron than the Ultron in AOU imo.

edited 11th Aug '15 4:07:33 PM by higherbrainpattern