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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40576: Aug 9th 2015 at 6:26:09 PM

[up]The FF aren't. But all the properties connected to them are. Which is half of Marvel's space universe, which I bet they really want to explore with Got G.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40577: Aug 9th 2015 at 6:46:28 PM

They could always introduce something to the comics through the Cinematic Universe. Or hell, make a deal with Parker Brothers and get Rom involved in a Phase 4. Or, excluding Rom have the Dire Wraiths and other Spaceknights. I feel the MCU can survive without the Skrulls or Galactus.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40578: Aug 9th 2015 at 6:53:54 PM

They do have enough material to keep going for a while without the associated FF rights

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40579: Aug 9th 2015 at 6:56:28 PM

For what it's worth, I saw Fantastic Four today, and it was alright. The story kinda falls apart in places, and there's a few cases of unfortunately hamfisted dialogue, but the performances are all pretty solid and the effects are great.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#40580: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:00:25 PM

I've seen the trailers I refuse to believe the effects are any good.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#40581: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:01:01 PM

I think Sony's contract with Marvel is kinda complicated because it's a bit older than we think. Someone to do with MGM and stuff?

And I think a co-production with Fox with the properties is the best bet for everyone. Fox can not make money from the franchise and X-Men will need to be rebooted anyway after Apocalypse. They can work with the X-franchise but that franchise doesn't have a lot of big mascot characters other than Wolverine and Deadpool. I'm still iffy on how Gambit is going to go, I'm not sure if Channing Tatum is a box office draw or if he just picks projects right.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#40582: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:19:44 PM

Why would X-Men be rebooted?

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#40583: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:28:25 PM

[up]X-Men Apocalypse concludes the trilogy from First Class. Neither Fassbender or Jennifer Lawrence are coming back afterwards.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40584: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:34:47 PM

That doesn't mean the next film is going to be a reboot.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40585: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:35:23 PM

Seems pretty ridiculous to reboot the X-Men so soon after DoFP when that movie was basically a reboot anyways.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40586: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:51:57 PM

I wanted Fantastic Four to be So Okay, It's Average because I like the actors in it, but having seen some bootlegs of it, yes, it really is terrible. Not even good in a Bile Fascination way. It's just a slogging waste of time. Reminds me that as much as I like to hate on Thor 2, it's not that bad by comic book movie standards. In the pre-MCU days being a derivative but competent Cliché Storm would've been good enough. Also godddamn that Doom. Looks like literal garbage.

On a side note the old 1994 Fantastic Four movie is worth checking out. Even if it's not great it's at least worth it for the laughs, and some of the actors turn in genuinely good performances. That one probably has Doom's best adaptation.

edited 9th Aug '15 7:58:54 PM by AlleyOop

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40587: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:42:11 PM

I liked the movie's Doom design. I also didn't think the movie was a slog—I actually think it could've benefited from another half an hour.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#40588: Aug 9th 2015 at 9:10:10 PM

That's the weird part. It clearly could have used some more time to flesh out its story, but even at 100 minutes, it still doesn't feel like it really goes anywhere.

edited 9th Aug '15 9:11:09 PM by edvedd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40589: Aug 10th 2015 at 12:31:29 AM

Yeah, it feels like there is a chunk missing but also as if there was plenty of time for it, the movie just spend it meandering around.

Marvel teaming up with Fox in a deal similar to the one they have with Sony makes zero sense. They had nothing to loose in the Sony deal, but a team-up with Fox would mean actively helping Fox to keep the licence when there is a good chance that the rights revert back to Marvel for good.

Isn't there this big Disney event in Anaheim, soon? I wouldn't be surprised if a few announcements are made during it.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#40590: Aug 10th 2015 at 12:39:57 AM

Fantastic Four was... not great. Every issue with it has already been described though. It seems like the FF are almost a cinematic curse at this point.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40591: Aug 10th 2015 at 5:58:14 AM

[up][up] Oh yeah, the D23 expo is starting 4 days from now! grin

Anyone wanna share predictions on what we might see there?

edited 10th Aug '15 5:58:37 AM by TargetmasterJoe

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40592: Aug 10th 2015 at 6:01:16 AM

If it were in a month I would bet on an announcement that Fox and Marvel made a deal which involves Marvel's getting the F4 back in exchange for allowing the TV show. But on such short notice, I suspect that we will have to wait for this one.

But I am ready to bet that they will show something from Civil War. Perhaps a first very short teaser.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#40593: Aug 10th 2015 at 6:17:52 AM

[up] I'm banking that they'll finally show us what Spidey and Dr. Strange will look like in the MCU.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#40594: Aug 10th 2015 at 6:25:35 AM

The first concept art at least, since we got impressions of Doctor Strange from that Africa event.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40595: Aug 10th 2015 at 6:29:37 AM

Maybe we'll finally see some Civil War footage to clarify how nebulous it all sounds.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#40597: Aug 10th 2015 at 7:26:39 AM

At the same time I don't think the FF are important enough to Marvel for them to be willing to pay Fox.

Especially since their latest outing was such a complete disaster.

I remember a few years back, someone at Marvel Studios was talking about the fans hoping for Spider-Man, X-Men, and FF to fail so that the rights can revert and Marvel Studios could start making their movies. Paraphrased, "Why do you think we would make a bunch of movies about properties that are proven failures?"

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Fantastic Four made $26 million on its opening weekend. That's phenomenally bad, and is not an encouraging reason for either Fox or Marvel Studios to make another movie.

edited 10th Aug '15 7:27:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#40598: Aug 10th 2015 at 7:50:46 AM

[up]Most people just want Marvel to have the rights so they can use the characters, though. Many people will be happy if skrulls appear in the next Guardians of the Galaxy, even if a new FF movie is never made. Personally, I would find really cool if Future Foundations had a role in the Spider-Man movies.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40599: Aug 10th 2015 at 8:02:38 AM

"Future Foundations"......ugh, I forgot how stupid that sounds.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#40600: Aug 10th 2015 at 8:10:06 AM

[up]IT does? Maybe it is because I am not a native speaker, but it sounds okay to me. IT is apparently a the name of some real foundations even.

Btw, I made a mistake in my post. It is Future Foundation, without an s.


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